The 4 stash tab that free to players get is just not enough anymore.

I guess we can all agree that developing games is a business, means the devs have to make money.
For obvious reasons GGG cant sell the game for a fixed amount (like $50) and then support the game forever as well as adding new content on a regular basis for free.
Thats an unrealistic expectation.

So what are the alternatives?

1. They could sell the game for a fixed price and never add new stuff
2. They could sell season passes for X weeks/months. If you dont pay, you are not allowed to play.
3. They could sell leagues just like other companies do sell DLCs. If you dont buy those, you cant experience the DLCs content.

Or they could do what they are doing right now.
Keep developing new stuff and allow everyone to experience this new content, while hoping enough players will support the game financially to keep them going.
In this scenario its pretty much mandatory to provide strong arguments for investing money.

Stash tabs are the best reason by far to throw money at GGG because every serious player will need those at some point. You sure could beat the game without buying tabs, if you are willing to go through the pain of having next to no space to stash your stuff away. on the other hand 4 tabs are sufficient to check out the game to make an educated decision, whether the is game is worth investing money or not.


All alternatives mentioned above will screw over poor players - only the "richer" guys could afford to pay for the game and enjoy all content available.
So from my point of view players should be grateful for GGGs financial approach. They are (or were) taking a massive risk by doing so. It paid off for them, but thats not guaranteed at all.

Demanding a change to a risky, but now profitable financial concept because it turned out to be profitable, is odd to say the least.
Imagine you had a successful business model and now your customers demand to pay less or get free handouts - just because you were successful, is laughable to me. Did you ever ask your favorite pizza delivery service to do the same, because they are selling many pizzas and making money?
Probably not

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MrTremere a écrit :

Really? How about quarter a tab, then?

I am seriously not following your point here.

4 tabs is enough (has been proven).

I don't know if 3 tabs is, I don't know if 2 is, I don't know if 1 is, I don't know if a quarter is.

What I know is 4 is enough. 4 is what we have. So as far as I am concerned, anything more is convenience. Which can remain behind a paywall.

I am not sure if I just missed your point somewhere. I think your point is that if this was a quarter tab for everyone, I would agree with you? I would probably. But I do not agree with you at '4 is too low'.

~Myth

do not talk about the cost for some stash would make you poor. The cost for the internet you are using to play, is higher. And it is per month, while you only pay one time for stash.

OP is right the game has evolved to a point calling POE F2P with any longevity and 4 stash tabs is impractical.

That said, OP play the game for free IF you are having fun why not contribute to it continuing? If you don't even have $20 when tabs go on sale consider playing POE less and working more.

Personally, POE has saved me $100s over the 5+ years I've played it in not buying other games. And I've spent $100s on POE the most by FAR I've ever spent on any game and dont regret $1 of it. Divided out over the 1000s of hours of playtime there is no form of entertainment that is cheaper.

4 stash is just not enough anymore that's all i never asked for free stash in the first place

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MrTremere a écrit :

Would you be willing to play next league with a sinlge non-premium stash tab, then, to prove your point?

Where did you get the idea of playing with only a single tab from? I actually limited myself to four tabs back in the legacy league and made it to level 68, but when it came time to start the map grind I started feeling seriously burnt out from the previous league. That had nothing to do with stash tabs though. I then quit the game for the rest of that league and the following four leagues and only started to play again about two weeks ago.

Back then the general opinion was that four tabs is obviously enough to reach and play endgame and extra tabs only provided an advantage to traders. I might be willing to repeat the feat in Delve SSF, but what would I get for it? Any kind of recognition is unlikely since I don't have the stamina to play to 100 regardless of the number of stash tabs, and you can hardly promise that this kind of threads would stop appearing on the forums. I don't want your items either since I play self-found.

You can easy play with 4 tabs, but...
Limits.
I often spammed 600 chaos a day in bestiary just to make room in stash, getting exalts well, its not really measure of possibilities now days.
This come to all things i imagine and way i took some stash even tho i played only two days this league.

Point is when you get into it, it simply wont cut for even a bit. By doing things with great efficiency and smart there is no problems, problem is in what to do with that success. You can not afford it, you can make things roll but with no destination.
Not all people care for same thing or need do things like trade, craft, colect or what ever and so they may not even grind per say but still will find limits in one way or other.

In some retro perspective i will say end game is an-or long game that is effectively' a pay expansion if you will.

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MrTremere a écrit :

My point is quite simple: we may disagree on where to put the bar where the stash space is exaggeratedly small, but that bar is there. And it moves as the game changes. People asking for a reevaluation of stash space aren't necessarily assholes for doing so.
The discussion should be aimed at how many tabs is the right amount, not at how low the price is for tabs (I'd still be arguing the same if they were at a cent each). That some very good player manages to do an excellent performance without additional tabs may point towards 4 being sufficient, but you should keep in mind that top players may consistently outperform others even with handicaps.

As for Premium tabs, you've pointed me towards getting less content or using third-party unsupported software.
It's hard to debate that they are not P2W (outside of ssf, that is).

If you don't know what you are talking about, it's best to keep quiet. Anyone can list items by posting them on the forum with a buyout price. The only thing that programs like aquisition do is make that process more convenient. And premium tabs make it even more convenient. There is no missing out on content. You don't pay for anything in PoE that others can't have if they are f2p.

That said though, I do agree we need some revision on the original 4 stash tabs. The reasoning is usually very flawed though and people bring up arguments that don't exist. Makes it hard for us to gather and pressure GGG properly into giving in on giving out some extra space.