Rain of arrows and general physical damage on ranger needs a buff

I've done three physical archers and all of them had a similar problem. At level 30-55, they all had more base elemental damage than physical damage, before auras. You can't be picky about gear, and elemental damage is so much more common than physical. If you add auras and use LA or even burning arrow, you end up with 75%+ of your damage being elemental without even trying.

All of them also ended up facing Ruthless Vaal with basically the same gear they faced Cruel Merveil, even with added quantity/quality. I hope A3 helps with this a bit. Classes that are more gear dependant are really shitty when played solo on a brand new account. I'd say most melee and physical archers definitely fall into this.

Playing physical archer at the moment feels very frustrating, even if it does somewhat balance out in the end. Adding quivers with more physical dmg/mods would definitely help with this, as crafting a new quiver is much easier than finding/crafting a new bow.

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Vipermagi a écrit :

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Moosifer a écrit :

He didn't say use kaoms for lvling up, it's a fairly common unique. I don't think we are talking in the context of races where getting a unique would be tough, more of an in general lvling.

Once you start accounting for crazy gear when it comes to leveling, you're ignoring new players, people who play for leveling (it might be common for you, but I've only found five uniques total so far), and people who don't twink gear. That's a pretty damn significant portion.

Yes, with Death's Harp and a couple Diamond Flasks, you can murder shit quite fine. Duh.
Without that, though, focusing on physical is just shooting yourself in the foot.

The last race I did, in the week long race, I got 2 harps drop before 40. Many times before, by simply watching trade chat, I was able to pick one up, before 15, simply with chance orbs I had accumulated.

You ALSO don't NEED diamond flasks, for harp to be as effective as it is. There are a myraid of ways harp is helpful and beneficial. 2 arrow PA if nothing else.

then how it comes that I'm with quad crits and 0 armor not oneshot myself? maybe average monster damage is completely irrevilant in physical damage reduction formula, in turms of reflect. if you crit for 10k then get 7500 back you need 90k to half damage from reflect?
Maybe you don't need more armor or damage but, more life?

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B_TAHKE a écrit :

then how it comes that I'm with quad crits and 0 armor not oneshot myself? maybe average monster damage is completely irrevilant in physical damage reduction formula, in turms of reflect. if you crit for 10k then get 7500 back you need 90k to half damage from reflect?
Maybe you don't need more armor or damage but, more life?

reflect aura is an aura, mobs around a reflect rare also reflect, pop RoA, and youre dead.

Well not my problem for some one overstacking damage more then their live and using aoe to kill everything on screen. You know you need to control your damage.

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B_TAHKE a écrit :

Well not my problem for some one overstacking damage more then their live and using aoe to kill everything on screen. You know you need to control your damage.

Nonsense. ARPGs aren't about limiting your power, there's a reason great gear is called "godly" because there should always be a point in games like this that you destroy everything and nothing can kill you.

It's a progression from slow naked weakling to a god.

I dont agree on this.
I play allot of archers and the damage they do is pretty nice.
Even though iam not putting skills in bow skils.
But mainly defence, life, mana and resis stuff

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Moosifer a écrit :

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B_TAHKE a écrit :

Well not my problem for some one overstacking damage more then their live and using aoe to kill everything on screen. You know you need to control your damage.

Nonsense. ARPGs aren't about limiting your power, there's a reason great gear is called "godly" because there should always be a point in games like this that you destroy everything and nothing can kill you.

It's a progression from slow naked weakling to a god.

Moosi has a point I have supported for a long time. Reflect is simply a stupid mechanic to put in an arpg, as it is actually working actively against the major designs of the genre; however, that is another beast entirely.

The reason why phys reflect and ele reflect are different is simply how mitigation works. With proportional armor to your damage (Granite flasks) you can mitigate physical reflect to nearly nothing, simply because most reflect deaths are a case of hitting a number of mobs under the aura, which is many damage packets being sent back at you. Meaning, it is an ideal situation for armor to mitigate, of course, there are situations, with arrows specifically, where you have literally no time to react, and in RoAs case, you simply watch yourself die as that delayed volley ohko's you.

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hubb a écrit :

Whether most FA/etc builds use bows with IPD or integer elemental damage, my point stands.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

What part of i want a choice between physical damage and ele damage is so hard to understand?

PoE's damage system is such that specifically using only physical damage is not optimal. If you use a high IPD weapon with whatever skills, someone with the same setup but using AFD and Hatred is going to do 50% more damage than you. End of story.

Builds based on ele bows aren't ridiculously stronger (if at all), you're just not making a very good character.

As I said earlier, AFD and hatred are physic bow gems.

Physic bow is a character that gets phys dmg passives, doesn't prioritize else dmg on gear, and doesn't use WED support. It doesn't mean only using physic dmg.

And right now such a character does hugely less dps than elebow, which is a character that prioritizes ele on gear, uses wed and avoids ipd nodes in favor of ele dmg, crit, cdmg, proj dmg and ias. Epsilon thinks leech makes up for it, but I'm sceptical.