Rain of arrows and general physical damage on ranger needs a buff
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To be honest I think ROA and split are more elemental than the first 3 listed (explosive is a little different in general). LA, FA and IS all convert physical damage to another element. While ROA and split just take the damage and spit it out there. ROA and split both work well with a pure elemental bow while the elemental skills work better with high physical damage bows then you just boost the converted damage.
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Whether most FA/etc builds use bows with IPD or integer elemental damage, my point stands.
" PoE's damage system is such that specifically using only physical damage is not optimal. If you use a high IPD weapon with whatever skills, someone with the same setup but using AFD and Hatred is going to do 50% more damage than you. End of story. Builds based on ele bows aren't ridiculously stronger (if at all), you're just not making a very good character. Dernière édition par hubb#1956, le 30 déc. 2012 à 11:22:54
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" they just are. theres no arguing that. I carve and sell real animal skulls, check out my work here: https://www.instagram.com/victorseiche/
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" No arguing? Are you sure? How does one come to such a conclusion? By playing through the game in an ele hit build? In a lightning arrow build? A frenzy build? A crit build? It's probably only actually true in a few contexts. The crit build for sure, but for frenzy and e-hit builds it should be a tossup. Builds using split arrow, ice shot, lightning arrow, etc should always be after a physi bow. Look at bow scaling:  I mean, that one's kind of self evident. Physi bows do 60% more damage. I don't really have to go into a long explanation. -- I don't have alpha access, that was a LONG time ago. Dernière édition par Zakaluka#1191, le 30 déc. 2012 à 12:12:53
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" But, elemental damage is way easier to up, you can get 30% ele on rings, belt amulet, and quiver, with physical damage you can only relly on the tree, the magnate, and some minor physical damage mods on these items. I carve and sell real animal skulls, check out my work here: https://www.instagram.com/victorseiche/
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but the bow does 60% more damage. You can get your ele bonuses elsewhere, physi mods are strongest on the bow itself.
You have to make up a deficit of (attack speed)*(avg ele)*(ele bonuses) of one hundred seventy through passives alone on the bow. That's a stretch. No, there are quite a few situations where the physi bow is better, by a mile. Making a blanket claim like "ele bow always better! cannot argue." is plain silly and wrong. Ele bows are SOMETIMES better. Mostly in situations that utilize status (directly or indirectly). Physi bows are SOMETIMES better. Mostly in situations that rely on raw damage output. Plenty of top ladder players use a physi bow. See Xendran - unless he changed his stat priorities lately, he goes for a physi bow. He uses a templar with ele bonuses and ele hit, and even so he's running a physi bow. I think that supports my case a bit. Maybe he could chime in on this, even if to tell me I'm fos. -- I don't have alpha access, that was a LONG time ago. Dernière édition par Zakaluka#1191, le 30 déc. 2012 à 12:29:29
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Look on this from different point you are not going to be oneshotted by ele reflect mobs, and because physical damage far less then elemental and has less resistance in general, you are far less prone to oneshoting yourself on phys reflect mobs.
No elemental damages synergise with each other on their own while elemental and physical do(well shock sorta do but it is easy to find way to apply it for phys damage too). Wonders about ice shot with additional fire and cold to fire supports and phys/cold/fire mods synergies. Though last convesion seem doesn't worth for the sake of mods. Also kinda agree's with split arrow and RoA being more elemental builds skills. They don't really sinergise well with phys damage, yet they seem far better to work with additional lighting and cold damage/ anger and wrath aura. Also even if projectile weakness doesn't work which I doubt there is still vulnurability. More phys damage, and you stun more often. And it looks for me some one wants to be stronger then sword and board build, being safe at the same time. Wands at least twise weaker then bows so there is way to make them a little bit stronger with investment to get on par with bow. The mobs that I killed with crafted wand and power syphon on two hits my friend killed with just white bow and regular attack in one and yet I'm not crying that wands are weak. |
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" I did and many other physical ranger get 1shot by phys reflect, because you cant get high enough physical damage AND life, also when you crit you get a lot of damage back, even with 60% DR from IR i got 1shot. I am not crying for my build to be better(im not even playing this char anymore, its in legacy league), im giving feedback on the state of physical damage for rangers, i did that build before maps were introduced and i didnt give feedback about physical for rangers damage then, but since nothin has changed about it, i am doing so now. And as you can see there are others who did pure physical damage rangers, and had the same problem, you get high level, you get good gear, but you still do damage incomparable to what an ele ranger does(and since they also use physical damage with LA and those other skills, they also leech like a normal phys ranger) thus theres no reason to make a physical damage ranger at the moment. I carve and sell real animal skulls, check out my work here: https://www.instagram.com/victorseiche/ https://www.facebook.com/victorseicheart/ World first Uber Atziri as 2h and 2h RT build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1058950 Highest level char in Closed Beta, Wytchfindergeneral Dernière édition par VictorDoom#6290, le 30 déc. 2012 à 16:22:17
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" Funny part is, for most ele rangers, you're both kind of wrong. Harp is sexi as hell for an ele ranger, much more so then any other bow that really exists. As to xendran, he runs builds that are as item independant as possible, due to it being HC and all, with gear scarcity and increased focus on getting every HP node within reason. While you can say xen is a top ladder player, it's somewhat invalid. Many people consider me among the higher ladder ele bow players, and even I come to the conclusion that harps are simply much stronger. I'm not entirely sure what the point of you're alls arguement is about, but the comparison between phys and ele is somewhat complex, simply because reaching numbers where the damage you are doing is simply stupidly more then necessary, with ele, is easy. However, in many cases, the physical users, are normally much more efficient, as a native element, simply because they do not need to use mana/life leech gems to leech and sustain themselves. I think RoA is fine, damage wise, but it could do with some added utility. AoE placement skills, such as RoA, comparable to Ground slam, are much more inefficient then regular bow skills, like Split, simply because many times, you can't fit 5+ into an RoA volley, unless they are mobbing you. Still want RoA to immobilize targets. |
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" Once you start accounting for crazy gear when it comes to leveling, you're ignoring new players, people who play for leveling (it might be common for you, but I've only found five uniques total so far), and people who don't twink gear. That's a pretty damn significant portion. Yes, with Death's Harp and a couple Diamond Flasks, you can murder shit quite fine. Duh. Without that, though, focusing on physical is just shooting yourself in the foot. |
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