Either armour suck or ES is far to strong
" I just gave examples. I dont even have all of these, I just gave examples of why ninja is not going to show you anything accurate by just organizing a column by armour. Pluss I have a no shield version 2h user see above. Investment comparison is hard to do, as most armour items are stupid cheap comparative to ES. People sell stuff under, people sell stuff over. From what I have seen, playing both. ES is still more $$$ for less defense relative to armour. And its not even a contest. We are talking at least 4x more expensive for weaker items than armour. Mash the clean
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" Here is my char: https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/darrenrob82-3531/character/Buevax I'm currently going back and forth trying to decide if it's better to focus on armour, evasion, or commit to hybrid gear. So no shield, no special uniques, no warrior ascendancy passives. I deal with armour and ES directly. In this context I don't think armour is equal to ES. By Investment I'm not strictly speaking about price. Whatever is meta is going to be more expensive. I think it's better to view investment in terms of a SSF player. How many hours am I going to have to farm? How many affix & slots will I have to commit? how many passives will I have to commit? In that context it seems you get way more defense with ES than you get with armour. I could be wrong. I'm not completely certain. Right now it seems like there are situation where armour might be better. Mainly any time you can get really big hits of Chaos Damage or Poison Damage. But does that make up for all the areas that ES over performs? I'm leaning toward no. Dernière édition par darrenrob82#3531, le 28 janv. 2026 à 22:38:17
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" You're a ranger Why are you building armour? That would be fighting your starting location and entire archetype. So armour for you would suck just as much as it would suck for any spell caster. I get that you are a path finder but this is just a silly tree. And your items are all over the place too. Youve like 10% tried on every single type of defense here and come to the conclusion that armour sucks? You have a single piece of armour and its a hybrid armour/es helmet. The plate belt that is terribly rolled is not even worth counting as an armour item No, just no. Mash the clean Dernière édition par Mashgesture#2912, le 28 janv. 2026 à 22:51:32
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" I'm a pathfinder. I can start in the warrior tree. Originally I was using "dance with death" and I was Armour Evasion hybrid, but that was terrible. I then switched to Armour ES. That was very effective. Just 2k of ES helped tremendously. I'm now experimenting with how much armour is good and how much ES is good. Building this has helped me really understand the difference in power between the armour, es and evasion. When I say armour isn't as good as ES, I mean the pure version of the stat, not the stat plus w/e warrior or druid ascendancy use to compensate. Now it may be the case, that certain class just can't use certain defenses. "I'm actually leaning towards that way of thinking." But that does sort of admit that Armour is worst than ES. Dernière édition par darrenrob82#3531, le 28 janv. 2026 à 22:54:26
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" No it has not. Youve built almost nothing from every single one of them. Yet youre all over the tree for %increased armour. You have a single base piece of armour on your character, and its a hybrid helmet lol and you take all these %increased armour nodes like they are going to do anything? You actually have no evasion this is crazy to look at wow. 5k ES is it. And then... a whopping 3k armour No, this build has no defense. Login and post your death count /played on this thing. Theres just no way you survive any form of juicing on this character. Mash the clean Dernière édition par Mashgesture#2912, le 28 janv. 2026 à 22:57:45
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" Yeah. No. This is the current iteration of a home-made build. The conclusion about Es being better come from having played several different type of character since the first league. While explicitly trying different things and experimenting with home rolled builds. I think maybe you might not understand armour as much as you think. I'm looking to understand defense from the point of view of somebody who rolls their own builds. If you're comment is pathfinder shouldn't use armour without know exactly why, I don't think you're going to be able to add much to the discussion. To be fair, I'm still figuring out exactly what's best also. |
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" Yeah I think this discussion is likely to no longer be useful. Thanks for your input. |
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" Welp you have a lot to work on as .... Understanding on getting base items to even scale the defense you want to talk about, is something that is lacking here. All of my builds are home-made so that sounds more like a weird form of putting blame onto something else. And then... still admitting its ... a you issue. Exactly what I am talking about when I say, "people dont know how to build armour"
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 "Armour is bad this is why" And they show me a tree like the one above. Yea. This is who represents these opinions. Mash the clean
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" Since I've been on the other side of this discussion, I'm going hopefully give you some advice. You're arguing, but you're not listening. Maybe you've confused me with a prior poster. Regardless, I didn't state why I thought Armour is worst then ES. I simply stated my expirence so far. Furthermore I have said multiple times I could be wrong and was willing to be convinced. But instead of telling me "how to build Armour" you spent several post talking down on a build that I just indicated was in flux. If you goal was for me to not listen to you. Good job. Mission accomplished. And to be clear don't waste your time responding. Our interactions are done. Dernière édition par darrenrob82#3531, le 28 janv. 2026 à 23:25:01
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" There was no need to respond then if you dont want people to respond to you. Your entire arugment is armour is bad as well. That is clear on several posts from you above. So theres no confusion. Example 1: " Example 2: " Example 3: " Ironic example 4: " Mash the clean Dernière édition par Mashgesture#2912, le 28 janv. 2026 à 23:32:37
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