Either armour suck or ES is far to strong

I don't think the issue is that ES is too strong.
I think some builds that go pure ES are too strong.

Because you have so much damage, you can invest into all ES nodes on the tree. And then you just don't get hit anyways since you have so much dps.
I think the issue is that these skills are too OP damage-wise.

Plus it let's you jewel stack with multiple 20% max es jewels.
I checked on poeninja and the highest ES builds all stacked max es jewels.

My current pure ES CI build, has 10k ES. And I have to play more defensively than my life/armour character.

Also, the life/armour build I played had 2.8k life and 30k armour and 38k armour as ele. I think a lot of people aren't building defenses correctly. This was also sub 200 div investment.

(I am doing harder content on the es character though, so will have to test with the life/armour char as well.)

Tldr: Nerf OP damage builds that can stack 5+ 20% max es jewels. Not ES.

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xAlunatic#7141 a écrit :

My titan with 5k health, 90% armour with 90% armour also applied to elemental damage with shield roll 8% additional physical damage reduction gets 1 shot too lol.

But i will still choose this over 12k es.

what is your armor value? Not expected reduction vs normal hits.

Guys slow down. Armour points and Armour mechanism is good. The main point of ES toughness is regeneration and generally that is used as addable support of "Life".

Imagine one character with 35k Armour and 10k life? Life points missing from spesific ranged classes. Every char should start with a minimum 3k Life and i think max achievable should be 8-10k otherwise it doesn't worth investing Armour.

IF Armour was reducing any damage of any kind, then yes Armour would have been priority choice. But right now it protects only melee builds and this occasionally.

I don't understand how people are getting over 100k armour. From what I am seeing in PoB, it takes perfect rolls on everything to get just over 100k. That's with going for every armour node in the passive tree. Even with that, I can still get a much larger effective hit pool with pretty much any other class without having to have perfect gear.

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mikeab79#3627 a écrit :

I don't understand how people are getting over 100k armour. From what I am seeing in PoB, it takes perfect rolls on everything to get just over 100k. That's with going for every armour node in the passive tree. Even with that, I can still get a much larger effective hit pool with pretty much any other class without having to have perfect gear.

You don’t need perfect rolls


And you don’t need to go to every armour node on the tree


EHP means nothing

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mikeab79#3627 a écrit :

I don't understand how people are getting over 100k armour. From what I am seeing in PoB, it takes perfect rolls on everything to get just over 100k. That's with going for every armour node in the passive tree. Even with that, I can still get a much larger effective hit pool with pretty much any other class without having to have perfect gear.

Ninja -> click columns and check "armour" -> sort

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yunharla3000#5123 a écrit :

Ninja -> click columns and check "armour" -> sort

That isn't helpful at all. Thanks though.

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mikeab79#3627 a écrit :

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yunharla3000#5123 a écrit :

Ninja -> click columns and check "armour" -> sort

That isn't helpful at all. Thanks though.

I'll save you the trouble. There's only 2 players with over 100k armour. Only 7 with over 80k armour. So players aren't getting 100k armour except a few.

Also like 99% of characters on the top 100 armour list are Titan. There's one Shaman with 53k armour. Other 99 are Titans.

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SaiyanZ#3112 a écrit :

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mikeab79#3627 a écrit :

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yunharla3000#5123 a écrit :

Ninja -> click columns and check "armour" -> sort

That isn't helpful at all. Thanks though.

I'll save you the trouble. There's only 2 players with over 100k armour. Only 7 with over 80k armour. So players aren't getting 100k armour except a few.

Also like 99% of characters on the top 100 armour list are Titan. There's one Shaman with 53k armour. Other 99 are Titans.

and what damage does abyss auto attacks?

so let's do max hits -> 0 titans

The issue with armour formula that
1) its a lie inside the game.
It says you have 90% mitigation, but in reality its
Damage Reduction = AR / ( AR + 10 * DMG )

2)the formula makes the game experience the following:
a) the enemies are just pushovers, causing absolute zero damage that can be brushed off by regenerations
b) oneshotted.

Look at the infamous Zekoa, Da XPcrusher:
Base attack at lvl80 is around 1.5k
His slam will be around 6-8k

Dont know how the hell the guy above build 30k armour and even have 100k "casually". I am lvl 87, warbringer, every items of mine have extra armour and I reach 14k in combat.
And I guess the AVERAGE player will have this experience too.

So Zekoas base attack will still hit around 900
The slam? With 15k armour you only mitigate around 15%, so you still get 6k damage.

In case you get crit the autoattack will get 30% mitigation, leaving you with a 2k damage
The slams 15k attack will hit you with 13.5k, since that armour absorbs only 9%.

Most players will only have 2.5k hp
And these are baseline map. Added crit damage, dots on hit and you just wonder why your "fully armoured guy" gets squeeshed by something your instincts says you should counter.

And the same formula causes the other issue:
With armour to elemental what can actually kill you?

But I guess this scaling goes with the META. Every other build is about nuking the enemy before any mechanic can reach you...