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The majority of players in the ARPG genre have been playing POE2 since it was released. That is the only stat you need to know to see what the majority of players in the genre want.
If the majority wanted what POE1 offered, the majority would be playing POE1. If the majority wanted what D4 offered, the majority would be playing D4. If the majority wanted what LE offered the majority would be playing LE. For anyone who thinks LE has more players because of the steam chart. The steam chart shows all of LE's players, but POE2 has the GGG launcher and has more players than the steam chart shows.
Negative posts on the forums do not indicate what the majority want because every games forums look like this, even most played games in world. It is a shame that people use the feedback forum to complain and be ignored rather than give mature, reasonable feedback and be taken serious. Posting "the game isn't what I want it to be, I'm mad" is not feedback, it is just complaining and is not going to make anything better.
People don't even want to play POE1 when they stop playing POE2 because as POE2's players decline POE1's players do not increase. Players will play a good game regardless of if it has new content or not. There are lots of games that have a lot of players than haven't had new content in a while. If people will not play a game unless it has new content, that is a red flag.
If you are trying to say the state of POE2 is bad then you are saying the state of POE1 is even worse and no one should take a game in that direction because people won't even play POE1 in its current state after playing POE2.
You can run whatever narratives you want, but the numbers say what the reality is and the reality is that the majority of people playing ARPG's are playing POE2.
Very well said.
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Posté parSargoth_CZ#3391le 28 avr. 2025 à 01:35:53
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The majority of players in the ARPG genre have been playing POE2 since it was released. That is the only stat you need to know to see what the majority of players in the genre want.
If the majority wanted what POE1 offered, the majority would be playing POE1. If the majority wanted what D4 offered, the majority would be playing D4. If the majority wanted what LE offered the majority would be playing LE. For anyone who thinks LE has more players because of the steam chart. The steam chart shows all of LE's players, but POE2 has the GGG launcher and has more players than the steam chart shows.
Negative posts on the forums do not indicate what the majority want because every games forums look like this, even most played games in world. It is a shame that people use the feedback forum to complain and be ignored rather than give mature, reasonable feedback and be taken serious. Posting "the game isn't what I want it to be, I'm mad" is not feedback, it is just complaining and is not going to make anything better.
People don't even want to play POE1 when they stop playing POE2 because as POE2's players decline POE1's players do not increase. Players will play a good game regardless of if it has new content or not. There are lots of games that have a lot of players than haven't had new content in a while. If people will not play a game unless it has new content, that is a red flag.
If you are trying to say the state of POE2 is bad then you are saying the state of POE1 is even worse and no one should take a game in that direction because people won't even play POE1 in its current state after playing POE2.
You can run whatever narratives you want, but the numbers say what the reality is and the reality is that the majority of people playing ARPG's are playing POE2.
indeed we hate the 0.2.0 update.
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Posté parmrb0x1#1447le 28 avr. 2025 à 01:56:18
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The core of all of this is pretty simple. GGG could have added the features of 0.2 to Standard, SSF, and Hardcore. Then added a Ruthless mode with with all the 0.2 nerfs to a Ruthless SSF and Hardcore as well. Then Jonothan and his buddies could play there.
See, the real issue that pissed people off is not only the colossal nerfs, but that they pushed his "vision" onto every player. Not everyone wanted to play ruthless. A lot of players just wanted to come home from work and blow up some things. Others want all that challenge as their way to relax.
GGG could have had a game that catered to more players. Instead, they pushed something on to people and told them they have no choice but to like it. Nobody likes that. Nobody is going to stick around for that.
So whatever those steam charts show or don't show, whatever the stand alone client would show if it had stats, whatever the playstation and xbox would show if they had stats, doesn't matter. This was an unforced error.
Dernière édition par Phoenixotica#6095, le 28 avr. 2025 à 02:00:49
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Posté parPhoenixotica#6095le 28 avr. 2025 à 02:00:04
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The majority of players in the ARPG genre have been playing POE2 since it was released. That is the only stat you need to know to see what the majority of players in the genre want.
If the majority wanted what POE1 offered, the majority would be playing POE1. If the majority wanted what D4 offered, the majority would be playing D4. If the majority wanted what LE offered the majority would be playing LE. For anyone who thinks LE has more players because of the steam chart. The steam chart shows all of LE's players, but POE2 has the GGG launcher and has more players than the steam chart shows.
Negative posts on the forums do not indicate what the majority want because every games forums look like this, even most played games in world. It is a shame that people use the feedback forum to complain and be ignored rather than give mature, reasonable feedback and be taken serious. Posting "the game isn't what I want it to be, I'm mad" is not feedback, it is just complaining and is not going to make anything better.
People don't even want to play POE1 when they stop playing POE2 because as POE2's players decline POE1's players do not increase. Players will play a good game regardless of if it has new content or not. There are lots of games that have a lot of players than haven't had new content in a while. If people will not play a game unless it has new content, that is a red flag.
If you are trying to say the state of POE2 is bad then you are saying the state of POE1 is even worse and no one should take a game in that direction because people won't even play POE1 in its current state after playing POE2.
You can run whatever narratives you want, but the numbers say what the reality is and the reality is that the majority of people playing ARPG's are playing POE2.
got some sources for that claim or did you just make up a situation in your head and present it as factual?
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The core of all of this is pretty simple. GGG could have added the features of 0.2 to Standard, SSF, and Hardcore. Then added a Ruthless mode with with all the 0.2 nerfs to a Ruthless SSF and Hardcore as well. Then Jonothan and his buddies could play there.
See, the real issue that pissed people off is not only the colossal nerfs, but that they pushed his "vision" onto every player. Not everyone wanted to play ruthless. A lot of players just wanted to come home from work and blow up some things. Others want all that challenge as their way to relax.
GGG could have had a game that catered to more players. Instead, they pushed something on to people and told them they have no choice but to like it. Nobody likes that. Nobody is going to stick around for that.
So whatever those steam charts show or don't show, whatever the stand alone client would show if it had stats, whatever the playstation and xbox would show if they had stats, doesn't matter. This was an unforced error.
What are you even talking about? The game is a Cookie cliker right now. Brainless 1-button Lightning Spear they are refusing to nerf.
Pinnacle bosses are melted in 3sec by a dozen of builds
The reason why many people stopped playing (for now) is because they simply finished the game. There are no challenges and the hardest bosses die in seconds. Well, you won. No reason to play until something new is added.
The game got too easy too fast, that is the problem.
If you think PoE 1 zoom-zoom is the way to go, check Steam Charts RIGHT NOW. 3k players online on PoE 1. 38k online on PoE 2.
People no longer enjoy mindless zoom-zoom of PoE 1.. just last vocal remnants of that playstyle are still making noise on forums.
Dernière édition par Sargoth_CZ#3391, le 28 avr. 2025 à 02:29:48
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Posté parSargoth_CZ#3391le 28 avr. 2025 à 02:28:57
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Hyperspacing shilling for the game again? you gotta be kidding me.
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Posté parbreqker#1764le 28 avr. 2025 à 02:43:51
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First of all, let's talk about "Hate".
Many of the reviews and the people who post are not "hating" the game, but instead, are just frustrated with the current state of the game.
I don't want to repeat the discussions in the forum all over again since many people already said what I said more or less as well.
And then, there is the next aspect, only because people still play the game does not make them all love the game instead; some might still like the game but also know about the problems and they play it.
Some might have just started and so it is not said wether or not they like it or not.
And some might still finish the rest of their playthroughs.
But another important fact: Many people already left after a few weeks.
Making an assumption about them while saying something like: "Uh, on steam only 15% of people post so the majority is content" is surely a very onedimensional statement itself.
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I've played 500 hours before the dawn of the hunt, less than 100 now and I'm done with it untill the next major change.
I fell like there is no way of further progress when I'm level 91 and dropped a grand total of two divines, two greater jeweller orbs and 200 exalts, I've barely got enough exalts to make my maps entertaining, although I have 100% increased rarity, my maps are tier 15 and I choose maps with rarity, tablets with quantity, and I don't get any decent drops, I have some ideas how to progress my character further but don't have the currency for it.
If this scarcity is intended I'll probably be done with the game forever since I'm no fan of ssf or willing to grind another 100 hours for potentially another two divines, if I'm lucky, rant over.
Most recent reviews are justified.
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Just what on earth is this nonsensical, misinterpreting of numbers, trends and domineering over "the majority of players" opinions thread about? You can claim all you want but at the end of the day, numbers never lie. If things keep going the way they did since 0.2 launch, the game will die out in a couple months unless major changes happen. Lets see if they will.
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Posté parLW187#4876le 28 avr. 2025 à 03:21:47
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The core of all of this is pretty simple. GGG could have added the features of 0.2 to Standard, SSF, and Hardcore. Then added a Ruthless mode with with all the 0.2 nerfs to a Ruthless SSF and Hardcore as well. Then Jonothan and his buddies could play there.
See, the real issue that pissed people off is not only the colossal nerfs, but that they pushed his "vision" onto every player. Not everyone wanted to play ruthless. A lot of players just wanted to come home from work and blow up some things. Others want all that challenge as their way to relax.
GGG could have had a game that catered to more players. Instead, they pushed something on to people and told them they have no choice but to like it. Nobody likes that. Nobody is going to stick around for that.
So whatever those steam charts show or don't show, whatever the stand alone client would show if it had stats, whatever the playstation and xbox would show if they had stats, doesn't matter. This was an unforced error.
What are you even talking about? The game is a Cookie cliker right now. Brainless 1-button Lightning Spear they are refusing to nerf.
Pinnacle bosses are melted in 3sec by a dozen of builds
The reason why many people stopped playing (for now) is because they simply finished the game. There are no challenges and the hardest bosses die in seconds. Well, you won. No reason to play until something new is added.
The game got too easy too fast, that is the problem.
If you think PoE 1 zoom-zoom is the way to go, check Steam Charts RIGHT NOW. 3k players online on PoE 1. 38k online on PoE 2.
People no longer enjoy mindless zoom-zoom of PoE 1.. just last vocal remnants of that playstyle are still making noise on forums.
Sorry, I should have excluded LS from the list. My mindset were for all the other lost builds.
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Posté parPhoenixotica#6095le 28 avr. 2025 à 03:23:35
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