One-attempt Maps are a massive middle finger, PLEASE change it

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Kanjejou#7620 a écrit :

Maybe allow 1-6 portal but tis your choice and taking less portal allow more drop quantity and quality?

so we still have risk vs reward btu it is in the player hand.?

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Linkefer#6630 a écrit :

Look bro, im 36. i have 2 jobs. i live in texas (god help me) if you want to do a one death thing, just make a ruthless mode for Poe2.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

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Kanjejou#7620 a écrit :

Maybe allow 1-6 portal but tis your choice and taking less portal allow more drop quantity and quality?

so we still have risk vs reward btu it is in the player hand.?

That strikes me as only further incentivizing screen nuking meta builds and glass cannons that kill everything before they are in any risk. The balance has to be fair and sensible, the only way for such balance to work is if I could zoom zoom kill everything in the game's equivalent of a square mile just by holding down a button as a melee much like some ranged builds do now. There's just not good enough reason over the many drawbacks of such a punitive penalty as we have now to keep it as is or "fix" it by making economic disparity between players that much worse just because some play meta builds or with a party that hard caps magic find.

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dwqrf#0717 a écrit :

Why are you against it ? What ARGUMENTS do you have against it ?

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- Softcore league has certain expectations.

Death should be meaningful (lose something, like exp) but you shouldn't be losing too much. Softcore should NOT be losing loot, map mechs, AND waystone on top of the already significant experience loss. I'm not aware of a single game THIS punitive that isn't by design a rogue-like/lite with baked in hardcore mechanics. PoE's classic inspiration of D2 dropped your body and gold. Many like games since have had little to any death penalties beyond time spent. Last Epoch only costs you the bonus reward for a Monolith node, or time to build up another attempt for the Monolith or Shade boss. The extremely punitive death penalty in PoE2 goes against expectations of a softcore league. Nobody signed up for this.

- The stress of survival feels too close to Hardcore

As mentioned, Softcore has certain expectations. Dying is never desirable, even if all you ultimately lose is time to return and reattempt. Some people like the thrill of that threat, but I gave up on hardcore ages ago because I no longer want to risk the loss in time investment and got tired of too many one-shots in the likes of PoE1 or bullshit moments in any number of other like ARPGs. The stress of one bad move or one bullshit moment is too damn much. I want to play for fun, not for threat, and softcore is a threat. It makes it a chore and more frustrating than it should be thanks to the threat of losing my entire map (plus all loot, mechanics, and the waystone on top of the already significant exp loss for rate of gain at 90+).

- Dying and losing your map is intensely demotivating and demoralizing.

This is made even worse by the game's current abhorrent state of balance, especially for Armor/Life as I only have a warrior in maps right now. When you can run dozens of maps at the more or less same level of juicing and suddenly get one shot by a rare, or a normal attack from a boss that ignores dodge (or hell, a bug, like the Forge boss's sword not blocking the inferno's damage once no matter where I stood), or any number of bullshit moments beyond your control in the hectic nature of this game's game play, it feels all that much worse losing so much.

- Losing the entire map creates significant risk of a Negative Feedback Loop

Map sustain droughts happen. I've had times where I was juicing 300+% around T9 or 10 and would get next to no waystones, and they'd never be above 4 or 5. Knowing what my build can more or less handle, it also means certain map mods brick the waystone before I can even use it (I miss Scouring and Alteration orbs SO friggen much because of this, such a weird choice to remove them entirely rather than making them rare), further negatively impacting map sustain. If I then die once or twice--my fault or otherwise--I could risk going back many tiers worth of maps, which any further drought will only then make even worse. It feels horrible losing map sustain for the tier you're able to reliably clear. This reason alone should be all GGG should need to bring back 6-attempt maps, or at least return to the drawing board and find a sensible compromise (Hell, I'd be fine with 3 attempts as a compromise, so long as I can then town portal as much as I want (just prevent use of TP during boss encounters if that could pose a problem)).

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

- The stress of survival feels too close to Hardcore

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

- The stress of survival feels too close to Hardcore

Uh, I think that's an exageration. In HC, you literally lose everything. Your character, the whole time you have invested in it and his equipment. You literally have to start over.

In SC? You lose some exp and a map. That's it. You may lose 4 hours of exp grinding, but you don't lose 80 hours invested in the character. You still have your equipment and can just keep playing.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

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AceNightfire#0980 a écrit :

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

- The stress of survival feels too close to Hardcore

Uh, I think that's an exageration. In HC, you literally lose everything. Your character, the whole time you have invested in it and his equipment. You literally have to start over.

In SC? You lose some exp and a map. That's it. You may lose 4 hours of exp grinding, but you don't lose 80 hours invested in the character. You still have your equipment and can just keep playing.

Doesn't mean the stress of death doesn't feel comparable. At least with hardcore, I'd've made that choice to experience a punitive death penalty. I picked Softcore for a reason as did many thousands of other players.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

I'm not aware of a single game THIS punitive that isn't by design a rogue-like/lite with baked in hardcore mechanics.