One-attempt Maps are a massive middle finger, PLEASE change it

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ac429#4687 a écrit :

I have to disagree. I like one-attempt maps, because it forces me to manage my risk. It's fun for me.

If it really is that enjoyable a mechanic for so many, I'd like for GGG to consider a "Mediumcore" league and see how it goes. Standard gets what PoE1 Standard already is, "Veteran" can have punitive but not character-loss death penalties, and then Hardcore for the rogue-like lovers. They did add Ruthless, afterall, and I can't imagine it is played by anymore than a dedicated minority. Maybe not a small one, but still a minority, like Hardcore.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

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ac429#4687 a écrit :

I have to disagree. I like one-attempt maps, because it forces me to manage my risk. It's fun for me.

If it really is that enjoyable a mechanic for so many, I'd like for GGG to consider a "Mediumcore" league and see how it goes. Standard gets what PoE1 Standard already is, "Veteran" can have punitive but not character-loss death penalties, and then Hardcore for the rogue-like lovers. They did add Ruthless, afterall, and I can't imagine it is played by anymore than a dedicated minority. Maybe not a small one, but still a minority, like Hardcore.

But... Why ? To have a league with just rewards and no risks ? So to say "look, I'm playing PoE2" but you have training wheels ? What about the people that won't even be able to play that Softcore ? Should we make another league called Babycore where you just can't even die ? All Standards players will then surely flock there too, because death is so annoying, right ? People don't come home after a long day of work to just die in a video game. Respect their time.

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Slart1bartfast#0332 a écrit :

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superfedfed#3933 a écrit :

I agree with you a LOT.

As some people said, yes there is a risk versus rewards, but here, what you lose is too much of a price.

I will just give you an example: I have been chasing a citaedl for a couple hours, going all the way around, which is quite annoying already, and super time consuming.
I arrive on the citadel, got killed by something ( i don't even know what).
Now, make me lose my map is fine, reset the portals if you want to, but here, I spent 2 hours going for this citadel, all gone is a split second. As the post says, it's just a middel finger to all the time invested.

Idk man, if you are at the point in game where something can kill you in a t15 map without you even knowing what it was then maybe your character isn't ready for this content difficulty yet? Maybe your build isn't properly put together if you can do t15 damagewise but your defense is so lacking to get randomly one-shot? (Which unironically is exactly what the mechanic is trying to tell you)

Also Omen of Resurgence helps a lot with getting one-shot.

Except, that is a significant part of the problem. You could go dozens of maps juiced to your comfort level and suddenly get blown up by nothing you can even determine, or some bullshit moment where the game freaks out and you can't recover, or just some dumb overtuned mob or boss, or it's just the fact the game's balance is currently atrocious and anyone not stacking Energy Shield is gimping themselves. Absolutely nothing about that means we deserve to lose the waystone, dropped loot, map mechanics, AND experience. "Git good" is just not a sensible response. This shit really makes me wonder what GGG expects our defenses and EHP to be when we're running T15 because something is way out of whack when I can be blissfully running around mace slamming map after map at T15 without hardly an increase in my resting heart rate only to out of no where completely explode and die from one attack or one mob or a spontaneous moment of bullshit where everything hits and crits you or something because an attack missed or auto target failed or you got pushed into a corner but couldn't push/dodgeroll back out.

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dwqrf#0717 a écrit :

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

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ac429#4687 a écrit :

I have to disagree. I like one-attempt maps, because it forces me to manage my risk. It's fun for me.

If it really is that enjoyable a mechanic for so many, I'd like for GGG to consider a "Mediumcore" league and see how it goes. Standard gets what PoE1 Standard already is, "Veteran" can have punitive but not character-loss death penalties, and then Hardcore for the rogue-like lovers. They did add Ruthless, afterall, and I can't imagine it is played by anymore than a dedicated minority. Maybe not a small one, but still a minority, like Hardcore.

But... Why ? To have a league with just rewards and no risks ? So to say "look, I'm playing PoE2" but you have training wheels ? What about the people that won't even be able to play that Softcore ? Should we make another league called Babycore where you just can't even die ? All Standards players will then surely flock there too, because death is so annoying, right ? People don't come home after a long day of work to just die in a video game. Respect their time.

Are you ever going to actually ignore me like you said you would, or at least NOT so disrespectfully misrepresent every anti 1-portal position?

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

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dwqrf#0717 a écrit :

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 a écrit :

If it really is that enjoyable a mechanic for so many, I'd like for GGG to consider a "Mediumcore" league and see how it goes. Standard gets what PoE1 Standard already is, "Veteran" can have punitive but not character-loss death penalties, and then Hardcore for the rogue-like lovers. They did add Ruthless, afterall, and I can't imagine it is played by anymore than a dedicated minority. Maybe not a small one, but still a minority, like Hardcore.

But... Why ? To have a league with just rewards and no risks ? So to say "look, I'm playing PoE2" but you have training wheels ? What about the people that won't even be able to play that Softcore ? Should we make another league called Babycore where you just can't even die ? All Standards players will then surely flock there too, because death is so annoying, right ? People don't come home after a long day of work to just die in a video game. Respect their time.

Are you ever going to actually ignore me like you said you would, or at least NOT so disrespectfully misrepresent every anti 1-portal position?

Are you saying that Babycore league shouldn't exist because death must be something that matters and to try to avoid ? What about the people being annoyed by it and considering it disrespectful. Don't change subject. I'm sure you will play this league as it's making everything easier and everyone having fun.

dwqrf all your dishonest trolling does is bump the thread for more visibility. If you want a conversation, then engage honestly and in good faith. Insults and clear misrepresentations of the argument are not honest or good faith.

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Madrebel96#0408 a écrit :

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ac429#4687 a écrit :

I have to disagree. I like one-attempt maps, because it forces me to manage my risk. It's fun for me.

WTF is happening here, why are you on every post about the 1 portal issue winch is obvious bad game design? This forum is full of GGG damage control trolls that monitor every post it starts to become unbearably bad, I really think and wish this game fail because of the way how it treats their player. Just disgustingly bad. Blizzard is the worst company that don't deserve to have any attention, but GGG seems even worse.

RIGHT? This guy is the worst and I've called him out for it too, everyone needs to be aware that there are probably GGG employees doing subtle damage control here in the forums because no regular person has enough time to reply to EVERY single forum post about one death maps while claiming to love the game.
If this guy loved the game so much, he would be playing it, but he's not, he's here replying to EVERY single post.

Something seriously fishy is going on. He's not the only guilty party.

Edit, meant to reply to the guy above me about "dwqrf".
I think this goes beyond trolling. Too weird for words.

I don't care about the one attempt a map
but would like the 10% exp loss to be 5% as when your high level (91 my level) you lose hours of progress for one mistake

but that just my 2 cents

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GnMQDMLmWZ#3336 a écrit :

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Madrebel96#0408 a écrit :

WTF is happening here, why are you on every post about the 1 portal issue winch is obvious bad game design? This forum is full of GGG damage control trolls that monitor every post it starts to become unbearably bad, I really think and wish this game fail because of the way how it treats their player. Just disgustingly bad. Blizzard is the worst company that don't deserve to have any attention, but GGG seems even worse.

RIGHT? This guy is the worst and I've called him out for it too, everyone needs to be aware that there are probably GGG employees doing subtle damage control here in the forums because no regular person has enough time to reply to EVERY single forum post about one death maps while claiming to love the game.
If this guy loved the game so much, he would be playing it, but he's not, he's here replying to EVERY single post.

Something seriously fishy is going on. He's not the only guilty party.

Edit, meant to reply to the guy above me about "dwqrf".
I think this goes beyond trolling. Too weird for words.

Right, and you are some Blizzard agents trying to bring PoE2 down by complaining every single day about dying in Endgame maps and losing 90% of your XP per minute, wasting 50 hours of your life per maps, and never being able to upgrade or craft any item for less than 200 divines ; and it's surely a trash game design and never your fault, it can't be. With you six wives and your twenty kids, nobody got time for that. Such disrespect of your time. What about a Babyleague where you just can't die, that would solve all your problems. Why are you against it ? What ARGUMENTS do you have against it ?

Maybe allow 1-6 portal but tis your choice and taking less portal allow more drop quantity and quality?

so we still have risk vs reward but it is in the player hand.?