Dx11 is unplayable AND looks worse.

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reprot9x a écrit :

GGG doesn't care about performance. It took an xbox release to get basic nobrainer optimizations. Without xbox, we would still be stuck in 2016.

it plays pretty badly on the xbox s, im sure the release helped out pc, though not 80% like someone at ggg claimed:)

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Fallen_Enigma a écrit :

To everyone asking for my PC specs. It's shit, you know that. But it was good enough with Dx9. That's what this thread is about. Dx9 v Dx11, not my PC specs. I want this thread to remain about Dx9 and the lack of graphic settings on Dx11 rather than my PC.

Try playing WoW on a PC that meets the minimum specs when it was launched and tell me how that goes.

All games evolve. You can either adapt to the changes or quit playing.

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Fhark a écrit :

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reprot9x a écrit :

GGG doesn't care about performance. It took an xbox release to get basic nobrainer optimizations. Without xbox, we would still be stuck in 2016.

it plays pretty badly on the xbox s, im sure the release helped out pc, though not 80% like someone at ggg claimed:)

Thanks, I didn't know about this. I though that the XBone version was fluent. The help that pc got was multithreading, reworked skills and nerfed aoe. Skills like incinerate were close to unplayable before XBone. Burning ground lag was also fixed slightly before XBone. Yeah we got a few things but mostly basic things that was years overdue.

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Makillda a écrit :

Try playing WoW on a PC that meets the minimum specs when it was launched and tell me how that goes.

That's a bad example. WoW is much faster than PoE. Lets compare sizes of "towns". PoE struggles with 10 player while WoW can handle several hundred with lower issues. If Oriath suddenly became the size of Ogrimmar, PoE would simply just roll over and die.

In WoW you can also dial down the settings unlike PoE. GGG have stated that they don't want us to have any kind of graphical settings. They want players to experience the graphics "un-nerfed". The only reason that we even have ANY kind of settings are to solve rare issues with graphic cards (Yeah, they actually said that).

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Fallen_Enigma a écrit :

To everyone asking for my PC specs. It's shit, you know that. But it was good enough with Dx9. That's what this thread is about. Dx9 v Dx11, not my PC specs. I want this thread to remain about Dx9 and the lack of graphic settings on Dx11 rather than my PC.

Some people have much more knowledge than you (and me for sure) and could potentially help you knowing our specs and what could be the most adapted to it if you post in the help section.



Regarding the lack of settings, GGG considers that the immersion that rain/shadows etc provide is worth not allowing players to disable it, as many players might read/see something on the internet and disable everything ( even though it might change nothing regarding performances for them ) just in case, having a less enjoyable experience in the end.
That's the reasoning behind the fact that there are no such options with DX11.

And I don't see this changing.

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Fallen_Enigma a écrit :

having the game open for an hour causes huge issues.

If you mean that performance degrades over time, that might be more to do with your system than the game itself. Every time I've had issues like that in the past it's been due to things like Firefox bloating up its RAM usage as I watch YouTube videos while playing.

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Fruz a écrit :

PS : Skyrim has not been a reference for powerful computers for a long time, I don't think that Diablo III is either to be honest.

While true, it does remain that Path of Exile's performance has degraded over the years without a commensurate improvement in quality. Hell, back when they first introduced multithreading to the engine I saw a significant performance boost that was lost a couple patches later when they took it out of opt-in beta, rolled it into the core UI, and introduced DX11 rendering.

Actually I lost performance with that patch. I had one boss fight go from 40 FPS at worst to 4 FPS at worst. Well, more like 14, but it was a horrible drop.

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Fallen_Enigma a écrit :

PoE is hardly F2P, you cannot get very far without buying stash tabs.
Try getting anywhere without a currency tab.

Played for years without a currency tab, and I played for years with mule accounts rather than paying for stash tabs. You're paying for convenience, not necessity, and thus it is still purely optional.

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Makillda a écrit :

Try playing WoW on a PC that meets the minimum specs when it was launched and tell me how that goes.

All games evolve. You can either adapt to the changes or quit playing.

Some games get better, some get worse. World of Warcraft was still fairly playable on an at-launch-minimum PC at the time of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion's launch. At the same time Diablo 3 actually had performance improvements over the years as it went from limited multi-core support to full multi-core support before they put out the first expansion.

The latter bit is speculative on my part based on the fact that the game locked itself down to one core, and tanked my frame rates from 60+ to 40-, for no apparent reason. GPU utilization also showed marked drops at the same time strongly suggesting that the game was throttling back how it utilized hardware rather than it being a limitation of the hardware itself. As such there's no proof, but given that I went through a six month period of 30-40 FPS in towns/hubs with CPU utilization a static 17% (one core on my old hex-core CPU)... /shrugs.

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Marikhen a écrit :

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Fruz a écrit :

PS : Skyrim has not been a reference for powerful computers for a long time, I don't think that Diablo III is either to be honest.

While true, it does remain that Path of Exile's performance has degraded over the years without a commensurate improvement in quality. Hell, back when they first introduced multithreading to the engine I saw a significant performance boost that was lost a couple patches later when they took it out of opt-in beta, rolled it into the core UI, and introduced DX11 rendering.

Not true, there have been many performances improvements over time.
This is all somewhat relative to people's setups of course, but there have for sure been improvement, I think that my game was just running better with DX11 than DX9 for example.

Wanted to chime in as another member of the royal potato court. I don't even have a dedicated video card, I play this game with the Ivy Bridge chip on an i5-3570k.

Last season I was elated to discover the texture_quality trick for DX9 and finally had a really fluent gaming experience with a bit of Runescape flair. That they would completely take this option away just one league later made me sad. Very very sad.

To their credit, they actually did improve DX11 performance, at least for me. It was unplayable with DX11 a few leagues ago; now it's actually halfway decent with 15 FPS in fights (yes, my expectations are low) without auto-adjusting graphics because that stuff just looks ten times worse than Runescape mode.

What bugs me is that this was apparently a vanity move more than anything. Okay, you don't want me to represent your shiny game with my potato visuals, but did you think I would ever stream or youtube with that setup? Like hello, I'm dialing everything down just to have a nice gaming experience, I'm not going to be running video capture in the background. You were already forcing people to go out of their way to run this game on potato rigs, which will comprise an increasingly large share of in-use hardware as component longevity improves; why punish us even more?

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Sphairon a écrit :

What bugs me is that this was apparently a vanity move more than anything.

I don't think so.

Providing both DX11 and DX9 supports means that each time they add something, they need it to work with both engines, and that require works.
If they let go of DX9, it means that they have more time to focus on DX11, or other stuff.

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Fruz a écrit :

Some people have much more knowledge than you (and me for sure) and could potentially help you knowing our specs and what could be the most adapted to it if you post in the help section.

???
First of all, all you've done is is flamebait and troll.
You haven't provided anything useful.
You started with this:
"You payed to support a free to pay game, you never paid to have the right to play anything, just pointing this out."

And like I mentioned before; I paid for stash tabs on a game that WAS working. That's the point of the thread. WAS. Nothing changed on my end, it was GGG.

And what type of knowledge do you have that could possible help me?
My PC was capable of running PoE using Dx9 with very specific settings.
That feature was removed, now I cannot play PoE with any settings that Directx11 has to offer.

There isn't a magic switch that would make PoE run amazing, and you know it.
When I run PoE I close everything, including anti-virus.
My graphic cards are up to date, all performance settings on PC were set to performance as mentioned in a previous post (it didn't help).
Due to the factory reset, PoE is a pretty fresh installation as well.

There's two things that's possible without a new PC (which I cannot do atm, in future yes, now; no) -
Revert the Dx9 change (which is what this thread is about)
Or I quit PoE... Which I have.

100% if I post my PC specs people will just going to troll more, as with the potato pic, and provide nothing useful.

And please, explain to me how you're oh so much more knowledgeable on this topic than everyone else here. What advice could you possible give? You're just here because you're bored. You're not here to help anyone.

This is why I hate forums. It's filled with people who'd rather shit post than play the game. You have a level 31 character. In the time you've spent being condescending in this thread you could easily completed an act...let alone all the other threads you've most likely been posting on.

Saying that you spend money on the game but then proceed to say you do not want to spend money on a computer...
Save money instead of buying microtansactions, poe doesnt require that much, you can play on a 200-300$ pc easily.
Recent low end computers are quite cheap
dx9 is a thing of the past and you need to move forward friend.
Platforms and technologies gets abandonned everyday even in the gaming industry.
Its less ressources spent to focus only on dx11 now that dx9 OS are no longer supported by microsoft.
I went from playing poe on a single core cpu amd 3500+, then a bad quad core amd 760k to a i7 8700. All of those with various cheap gpus that cost next to nothing.
Companies cannot maintain support for hardware that are like 15 years old but poe's minimum requirements are quite low.
But you cannot be mad at GGG for not living in the past, its not reasonnable or fair.
I can understand if you are not in a position to own or buy much, but that's not GGG's fault. They really extended support for dx9 for quite a while.
You could buy some cheap used computer with like a i5 2500 and some cheap graphic card like a gtx 770, gtx 960, gtx 1050ti (used is REALLY cheap for the first 2).
I played with a gtx 660 wich is like 40-50$ canadian for years. I tested it last year and it was still running the game just fine.
Do post your spec, people are not there to bash you because of the specs, they just want to know whats the problem with your computer and point you in the correct direction. Again you do not need a supercomputer to play this game.