Auction house

The only people asking for an AH are those who have never played a game the feature destroyed. EverQuest and Diablo 3 are the best examples, but I'm sure there are others.

Chris has many times outlined why he will never implement an AH, and he's right in his assessment. He's seen and understood what it does to a game like PoE.

Any benefits offered by an AH - and there are some of course - would be quickly outweighed by the damage it did. The only people left to trade would be the resellers and bots.

They'd be trading efficiently though...

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The only people asking for an AH are those who have never played a game the feature destroyed. EverQuest and Diablo 3 are the best examples, but I'm sure there are others.

Hahahaha AH ruined D3 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha...
Isnt it use of gold (especially it was exchangebale for real money but useless in game) insetad of crafting currencies - and lack of crafting,terrible skill system etc. etc. that ruined D3?
Have you ever playes D1 D2 D3?

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t0lkien a écrit :

The only people asking for an AH are those who have never played a game the feature destroyed. EverQuest and Diablo 3 are the best examples, but I'm sure there are others.

Chris has many times outlined why he will never implement an AH, and he's right in his assessment. He's seen and understood what it does to a game like PoE.

Any benefits offered by an AH - and there are some of course - would be quickly outweighed by the damage it did. The only people left to trade would be the resellers and bots.

They'd be trading efficiently though...

I disagree on your assessment that the only ones left would be flippers and bots, at least insofar as PoE is currently designed. There's far too much incentive to trade for missing pieces in this game so everyone would be trading. I'd even just make an instant market insofar as for currency, maps, fragments, and consumables which would knock out 70% (rough estimate) of the current issues.

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AH should be exist - maybe not in 100 % aspects but buying of currency/fossils/maps is so fu...g annoying .these price's fixers are like s locust -horrible and shitty/these ba....s slowly kills this game/I have no patience to pm 30 or more times - IT'S a PATHOLOGY,SIMPLY.
AH 'll kill unwanted players. Or introduced external tools to stop this madness, especially at ending of league.

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Varan1971 a écrit :

Hi
AH should be exist - maybe not in 100 % aspects but buying of currency/fossils/maps is so fu...g annoying .these price's fixers are like s locust -horrible and shitty/these ba....s slowly kills this game/I have no patience to pm 30 or more times - IT'S a PATHOLOGY,SIMPLY.
AH 'll kill unwanted players. Or introduced external tools to stop this madness, especially at ending of league.

something's been slowly killing this game since 2013. it's also pretty easy to combat price fixers... just scroll down.

although truthfully most of those low prices are real, they're just sold. click the "activate live search button" and wait for new ones to come up, often times they're just players who want to immediately sell currency or items rather than waiting. the it's gone, and since they don't respond you start calling them price fixers.

but if you notice the same guy's name over and over just ignore him. also pretty easy to do.

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t0lkien a écrit :

The only people asking for an AH are those who have never played a game the feature destroyed. EverQuest and Diablo 3 are the best examples, but I'm sure there are others.

Wrong. I've played D3 and and i'm all pro-AH. If we got an AH like it was in D3 (without RMT, of course), it would be a huge leap forward.

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t0lkien a écrit :

Chris has many times outlined why he will never implement an AH, and he's right in his assessment. He's seen and understood what it does to a game like PoE.

Nope, he's wrong. There are only 2 options:
1. SSF
2. AH
Anything else wouldnt work, or would be an inferior version of one of those 2. For example, current trading system is just an iferior version of AH, with many cons, but without any pros.

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t0lkien a écrit :

Any benefits offered by an AH - and there are some of course - would be quickly outweighed by the damage it did. The only people left to trade would be the resellers and bots.

Bullshit. Resellers gain profit by purchasing something below average value and selling for average value. Normal players are ones, who buy those items in the end (bots never want to buy items). Without normal players, reseller gains no profit = quits. Bots gain profit with RMT, selling currency&items they farmed. Again,buyers of those are players. IF there are no players, bots gain no profit.
BTW, i see 0 issues with resellers. their existance is completely NORMAL for any economy. Saying "reselling is bad" is nonsense, just like communism or something. If player sells item for cheap, maybe, he just wants to get money immediately and continue playing. He doesnt want to wait and hassle. Never though about that?
And if player sell dirt cheap (and AH interface is proper), then its his OWN fault. Just like using Vaal Orb on 6-linked Starforge to get some crap rare. Or using an exalted orb on some crap rare during leveling, because you dont know its value. But the number of those mistakes is nothing compared to amount of scam and hassle, caused by current shitty trading system. Wasting 40% of playing time on trading just because you have to wait is intolerable. It's just like playing some turn-based RPG on "slow speed" settings. No matter how cool and fancy it is, having to waste most of your time just on watching animations (instead of thinking, planning, etc.) feels awful and brings no joy.

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konop88 a écrit :

Hahahaha AH ruined D3 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha...
Isnt it use of gold (especially it was exchangebale for real money but useless in game) insetad of crafting currencies - and lack of crafting,terrible skill system etc. etc. that ruined D3?

Indeed, this was exactly what ruined D3.
You have in-game currency - GOLD - but when you try to craft something with it, you realize, that you would get better items just by farming mobs, and without wasting any gold (cause crafing isnt even instant, for some wierd reason). The only real use for gold was crafting gems, but there was a huge excess gold regardless. No wonder, that huge inflation happened. An item worth 1kk gold today, will cost 1.1kk tomorrow - something like that. Why? because currency in D3 was much like in D2 - useless crap that everyone has and no one wants. Does econemy has any chances with useless currency? No! With AH or without - it doesnt matter.
PoE is different, It has strong currency, that has many in-game uses. Many endgame items are crafted with currency usage. Therefore, PoE wont suffer from massive inflation as badly as D3 did. With AH or without - again - doesnt matter.

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Lawnman82 a écrit :

The only people against ah are people that run currency bots or are involved with rmt.
tdlr
anti ah crowd don't to want lose their advantage. trade bots/no lifers/scammers/rmt/price fixers.

Absolute horseshit.

Nope, it's sad truth.
Well, there are also people with subpar intelect, who cant perform logical conclusions and believe, that AH would make things worse. I dont want to insult anyone, but stupid people do exist. I believe those are minority, though.
Most anti-AH yellers are botters, "pricefixers", scammers, resellers using private indexers and other sorts of shady characters, who abuse current shitty trading system, so they really dont want fast and fair AH.

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Lawnman82 a écrit :

The only people against ah are people that run currency bots or are involved with rmt. They act like bot or no lifers arnt already sniping gg items the second items go live on the market. people shouldn't be able to sell items when offline....???? ok, so no lifers that dont have jobs and live in their parents basement can just dominate the game? since they can just sit on their computer all day?

make league with an ah.
Make a league without ah.


see what happens. We all know the ah league will destroy the non ah league.


ah would get rid of trade scams and price fixing, the two biggest problems in the game.

drop rates would have to be lowered???? will since uniques arnt worth shit anymore does it matter? only 5 unique's worth any amount currency in the game anyway now.


tdlr
anti ah crowd don't to want lose their advantage. trade bots/no lifers/scammers/rmt/price fixers.

Dear lord this is some inane drivel.

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Lawnman82 a écrit :

make league with an ah.
Make a league without ah.

This is the only smart thing you said. We'd know then just how bad an AH would be. * Though you don't need to tell me twice that it's bad*

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MortalKombat3 a écrit :

Nope, it's sad truth.
Well, there are also people with subpar intelect

Haha!

GGG: Subpar intellect.
Blizzard: Subpar intellect.
Most other game developers in the ARPG Hack'n Slash genre: Subpar intellect.

But you? Superior intellect.

By the way; you spelled "intellect" wrong. Good riddance.

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MasterAxe a écrit :

Your ignorance is pretty massive, to say the least.

I'm asking question in a search of being enlighted. Enlighten the poor, ignorant me. What do people "love" about trading?

Exchanging items of no worth to them, for ingame cuurency so you can buy items you want or need. For some just the building of ingame wealth is all they desire. Some may enjoy haggling prices, which i would always want to be kept in trading.

Nobody enjoys having to stop what they are doing, forced to go back to HO, find an item and trade, IF the buyer even comes, which half the time someone else answered them, because all traders have had to resort to spamming(i used to block players that trade spammed).