2h Pure Physical Heavy Strike Slayer - build review (state of melee)

"

heedkid a écrit :

Another thing which puzzles me - OP downed Shaper on artificially suboptimal build. That's more troubling than state of melee to me. Balance is so much off that you will beat the game with anything.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2248351

poe 2019 - bad build, probably bad play, can do +/- all content, complains about having it bad.

"

sidtherat a écrit :

good news all 'noobs playing 2h melee': it is shaper viable :)

You can take down Uber elder with a 2H RT build.
Cyclone is better than heavy strike though of course.


I agree that the 2 mini bosses are absolutely horrible on melee, if you get hit by the whole balls salve, you might just be dead.

"

robmafia a écrit :

"

heedkid a écrit :

Another thing which puzzles me - OP downed Shaper on artificially suboptimal build. That's more troubling than state of melee to me. Balance is so much off that you will beat the game with anything.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2248351

poe 2019 - bad build, probably bad play, can do +/- all content, complains about having it bad.

Thanks for reassuring me that I'm not the only person in this community who hasn't lost their mind.

OP is either being deliberately obtuse at this point or just trolling with his cumulative statements of "This is bad and I knew it was bad but I did it anyway," "I can beat T16 guardians and shaper easily," and "this is proof that melee needs work."

Thank you to all of the people struggling to discuss this intelligently, but I'm done bumping this thread.

i never asked you to bump anything. do as you please.

however, the premise of this thread still stands:

- there are TOO many noob-only choices that are not 'wrong' in any logical sense but noone should make them.
- - passives like Rampart that are simply worthless
- - STACKING armour% in current game. AR in itself is ok. but one flask press and voila, you are already at 'enough' level.
- - AR chests in general. youve picked Death's Ouath not because of AR but because of huge %attack speed and leech. its AR value adds .001% of its usefulness.
- - picking melee on the premise that somehow it is going to be the tanky playstyle without game actually providing SERIOUS means to it being so. jugg caster is tanky enough for anything so why bother?



- the state of namelock GAMEPLAY is beyond pathetic. we are in 2019 now. Diablo2 had 'attack move' 20 years ago. TWENTY. POE doesnt have even that. instead we got some half baked 'targeting rectangle' that is soo small it doesnt even matter. try playing namelock without multistrike/ancestral call

- the damage of this horribly outdated skill is barely en par with auto targeting multi AOE stuff like bow+mirage archer or abominations like Winter Orb. wtf is this?

- passive tree between Marauder and Duelist should be simply removed. There is pretty much NOTHING of value there. The life is a standard 20% cluster and warcry node is placed HORRIBLY. imagine the uproar if MOM was placed in such a sh.. spot? compare that junk to what casters get. they even have life when traveling! (Melding, Quick Recovery). When was the last time someone from GGG even looked at this part of the tree? meanwhile templar is getting 4th revork in a row. pathetic

"

sidtherat a écrit :

however, the premise of this thread still stands

...the premise that's been utterly btfo?

Sid, it is not like they dont understand what you are saying. They dont want to. Pepole who play meta, dont care about build diversity or making interesting choices. Suboptimal choices are not choices for them. Just like the guy who "fixed" your build. +20% more damage +600 life problem solved, this is what the game became, at this point i could go play D3 and stack my main stat.

I loled so hard when you ganged up on him for choosing slayer's stun node. Like wtf? Why wouldnt he? It is in the fking game for a reason. Or is it not? If it is in the game, but not useful for anybody, why is it there? Why it is his fault to choose it?

I think in the near future there will be an auto-build option. Just like in dota2. You create your character, check in the auto-levelup box, and the game will spend your points on the skill-tree, tells you what items to buy. You can download streamers-meta guide addon, just like a lootfilter. I bet if you would implement this in next league nothing would change. Pepole are already doing this. Why? Because of noobtraps the OP was talking about. Pepole dont want to be creative anymore, they want to be effective (aka. see the endgame you scaled up to the outer space).

something something synergy, something something intentionally crappy build, something something still beat shaper.

the problem isn't an individual node or jewel or x, it's the intentional combination of garbage with no rhyme or reason. OP went out of his way to avoid synergies and tried to make an utterly terrible build (and did). then OP BTFO his own point by saying it can work, and later that it can down shaper.

screw the meta or whatever. OP made an intentionally terrible build and still downed shaper. melee can't be that bad.

the power creep is unreal and ruined the game.

"

sidtherat a écrit :

however, the premise of this thread still stands:

The premise that melee skills like heavy strike are bad is true. The premise that this build shows that problem I'm not so sure

"

sidtherat a écrit :

- there are TOO many noob-only choices that are not 'wrong' in any logical sense but noone should make them.
- - passives like Rampart that are simply worthless
- - STACKING armour% in current game. AR in itself is ok. but one flask press and voila, you are already at 'enough' level.
- - AR chests in general. youve picked Death's Ouath not because of AR but because of huge %attack speed and leech. its AR value adds .001% of its usefulness.
- - picking melee on the premise that somehow it is going to be the tanky playstyle without game actually providing SERIOUS means to it being so. jugg caster is tanky enough for anything so why bother?

In my experience armor is flat out better then alternatives but ok
Regardless the premise HERE seems to be that melee isn't specifically tankier than caster or ranged, which is true, but I think your points fail to demonstrate that which is what the peons are upset about
You gotta understand these people don't care about balance, all they care about is trolling melee threads. You need to keep your posts factual and on point or the garbage will eat it for lunch

"

sidtherat a écrit :

- the state of namelock GAMEPLAY is beyond pathetic. we are in 2019 now. Diablo2 had 'attack move' 20 years ago. TWENTY. POE doesnt have even that. instead we got some half baked 'targeting rectangle' that is soo small it doesnt even matter. try playing namelock without multistrike/ancestral call

- the damage of this horribly outdated skill is barely en par with auto targeting multi AOE stuff like bow+mirage archer or abominations like Winter Orb. wtf is this?

All true. These skills need range or aoe or movement or something else to compensate for the issues

"

sidtherat a écrit :

- passive tree between Marauder and Duelist should be simply removed. There is pretty much NOTHING of value there. The life is a standard 20% cluster and warcry node is placed HORRIBLY. imagine the uproar if MOM was placed in such a sh.. spot? compare that junk to what casters get. they even have life when traveling! (Melding, Quick Recovery). When was the last time someone from GGG even looked at this part of the tree? meanwhile templar is getting 4th revork in a row. pathetic

I'm not sure this is a melee specific problem here either, and frankly I like that life cluster

Tldr your thoughts are correct but you're explaining them poorly which is why the garbage is on your case

"

robmafia a écrit :

something something synergy, something something intentionally crappy build, something something still beat shaper.

the problem isn't an individual node or jewel or x, it's the intentional combination of garbage with no rhyme or reason. OP went out of his way to avoid synergies and tried to make an utterly terrible build (and did). then OP BTFO his own point by saying it can work, and later that it can down shaper.

screw the meta or whatever. OP made an intentionally terrible build and still downed shaper. melee can't be that bad.

the power creep is unreal and ruined the game.

Maybe, but mirage archer beats elder at level 38, so relatively speaking, yes melee is still that bad.

To be frank.. this post wasnt directed at any of you.

Also..you "like that life cluster"? Cool. But what else is there? Not to mention that each part of the tree has similar %life passives so that cluster is absolutely nothing special.

And yes. That part of the tree being garbage promoting bad build decisions is exactpy the point of all this. Esp when you realise that no matter how much armour you get the minotaur rocks are going to kill you. Getting flat phys reduction from end charges baslat or asxendancies beats it all the time. Then we got the power creep phys as element rolls and flasks.. armour is for noobs and alternatives are far far better.

3k from flask is enough vs thrash and even 10k is not enough vs delves or top end bosses.

Seriously. I ask anyone to check passive tree heatmap and check how empty the duelist/marauder area is. There is one node. The warcry node. In a sh..est place possible. Nothing else has been picked by anyone ever..

Melee.