Please remove all league exclusive items for incoming new leagues

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Frenshi a écrit :

I don't know how you do it. I can't even stay awake playing dumpster HC anymore because for some reason only the HC temp leagues mean anything to me the last couple years.

Standard would be even worse. Just why.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

This is not a fallacious argument.

Games should made for everyone to enjoy, not being punished, end of story.
You're not being punished? You're free to play the leagues if you want to. There is literally no punitive action for standard players during active leagues.

All I am suggesting is making league exclusive items being made available for farming just like it was made available for farming in leagues but only after the league ends.

You're missing the point. If they don't implement Breach into standard, how do you propose to get blessings and breach exclusive items that only drop from breaches?

In other words if they put in the same amount of time to grind for that items, shouldn't they be rewarded as well instead of being TOTALLY excluded from those benefits?

The whole point of the league is to introduce new mechanics and items that thematically fit the league. Often times they can't do it for standard. How for example do you propose to include talismans in standard when there literally is no talisman mobs?

People do not want to spend their entire fortune in standard just to buy those league exclusive items from league players because they are generally sold at cut-throat prices.
Then play leagues to get those items to take into standard? It's not that hard.

For example, a legacy void heart cost about 10ex in std but it costs only about 1-2ex during the prophecy league. By making it a league exclusive items, std players have to spend about 5 times more effort in order to buy that item (10ex/2ex).

Legacy voidheart costs 10ex because its LEGACY and much rarer. You can still get normal voidhearts, which were from a prophecy. You would have never gotten a legacy voidheart in standard, even if your proposed changes occur (voidheart was nerfed very quickly).

Isn't that a PUNISHMENT? By implementing what I have suggested, Std players will have EQUAL opportunity to farm for that item without being PUNISHED.

You need to learn what the word punishment means.
"a penalty inflicted as retribution for an offence." There is no retribution. Are you disadvantaged by only playing standard and wanting league specific items? Yes. Is anyone forcing you to play standard? No. Is anyone actively gimping your characters in punishment for not playing leagues? No.

And if they really meant that they do not care about standard or if they want to have a fresh start, then they should have know that this suggestion DOES NOT AFFECT the LEAGUE PLAYERS IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEPT THAT LEAGUE PLAYERS WILL LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO fleece THE LIVING HELL OUT OF THE STD OR CASUAL PLAYERS.

The only reason why people disapprove this suggestion was because of their GREED and JEALOUSY.
Essentially it all comes down to the fact that you don't want to pay high prices in standard and are jealous of people who can do so. Or you're jealous of people who play leagues, get 100 voidhearts and then flip them for 10x the profit? In which case, why don't you do that yourself?

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

I guess there are too many hypocrites here and when they personal interests is compromised, they went berserk.

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ClickHitBoom a écrit :

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

This is not a fallacious argument.

Games should made for everyone to enjoy, not being punished, end of story.
You're not being punished? You're free to play the leagues if you want to. There is literally no punitive action for standard players during active leagues.

>> There is. MTX and league exclusive items are made available and are ADDED AS A NEW ADDITION for league players but what about any additions to standard? NOTHING ! And if i chose to play in standard, do i get anything even if I spend the same time grinding? NOTHING ! THUS, I AM PUNISHED even if i spend the same time grinding.


All I am suggesting is making league exclusive items being made available for farming just like it was made available for farming in leagues but only after the league ends.

You're missing the point. If they don't implement Breach into standard, how do you propose to get blessings and breach exclusive items that only drop from breaches?

>> No, i am not missing the point.
Who says that blessings and breach exclusive items needs to be drop from breaches? Couldn't they find more creative ways to make it happen just like they introduce Cadiro in zana mods instead of removing Cadiro completely?

In other words if they put in the same amount of time to grind for that items, shouldn't they be rewarded as well instead of being TOTALLY excluded from those benefits?

The whole point of the league is to introduce new mechanics and items that thematically fit the league. Often times they can't do it for standard. How for example do you propose to include talismans in standard when there literally is no talisman mobs?

>>>Nah. The whole point of the leagues is just to satisfy those people who claims that they want to have a fresh start or people who wants to challenged themselves to whatsoever BS. If they can implement a league specific additions to standard, they could do so for all. For example, Cadiro the merchant was only exclusively made for perandus league but due to the pressure and pleas from the player base, GGG decides to add Cadiro and the prophecy merchant (Prophecy exclusive) to standard.

There is a difference between "willing to do it" and "they can't do it"

People do not want to spend their entire fortune in standard just to buy those league exclusive items from league players because they are generally sold at cut-throat prices.
Then play leagues to get those items to take into standard? It's not that hard.

For example, a legacy void heart cost about 10ex in std but it costs only about 1-2ex during the prophecy league. By making it a league exclusive items, std players have to spend about 5 times more effort in order to buy that item (10ex/2ex).

Legacy voidheart costs 10ex because its LEGACY and much rarer. You can still get normal voidhearts, which were from a prophecy. You would have never gotten a legacy voidheart in standard, even if your proposed changes occur (voidheart was nerfed very quickly).

>>>I am just making an example I guess you missed my point. All I am saying is that an item which is made obtainable only in leagues could cost 5 times the prices when it becomes available in standard and Standard players are unfairly penalized for it even if they make the same grinding.

Just look at it this way, assuming the drop rates of exalted orbs are equal for standard and leagues.

I spend 2ex on a league exclusive item that took me only 1 week to farm for that currency to buy that item in that league.

BUT, I have to spend 10ex on a league exclusive item that took me 5 weeks to farm for that currency to buy that item in standard.

Get the picture?


Isn't that a PUNISHMENT? By implementing what I have suggested, Std players will have EQUAL opportunity to farm for that item without being PUNISHED.

You need to learn what the word punishment means.
"a penalty inflicted as retribution for an offence." There is no retribution. Are you disadvantaged by only playing standard and wanting league specific items? Yes. Is anyone forcing you to play standard? No. Is anyone actively gimping your characters in punishment for not playing leagues? No.


>>> You seriously need to learn what the meaning of the word "punishment" really is INSTEAD.

PRO TIP
A word can have alternative meanings

Punishment.
"severe, rough, or disastrous treatment" - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/punishment


And if they really meant that they do not care about standard or if they want to have a fresh start, then they should have know that this suggestion DOES NOT AFFECT the LEAGUE PLAYERS IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEPT THAT LEAGUE PLAYERS WILL LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO fleece THE LIVING HELL OUT OF THE STD OR CASUAL PLAYERS.

The only reason why people disapprove this suggestion was because of their GREED and JEALOUSY.
Essentially it all comes down to the fact that you don't want to pay high prices in standard and are jealous of people who can do so. Or you're jealous of people who play leagues, get 100 voidhearts and then flip them for 10x the profit? In which case, why don't you do that yourself?

>>> Why should i pay for something at cut-throat prices when i spend the same time grinding? Am i penalized just because i play in standard?

You're just upset that someone suggested something that might stopped your greedy plans.

You think yourself as "first class citizen" just because you play leagues and find it justifiable that standard players should not be able to enjoy the same benefits because you consider them them as "second class citizen".

But don't ever forget, we are all "citizens" of this game!

Like i have said before, this suggestion DOES NOT AFFECT the LEAGUE PLAYERS IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEPT THAT LEAGUE PLAYERS WILL LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO fleece THE LIVING HELL OUT OF THE STD OR CASUAL PLAYERS

The only reason why people disapprove this suggestion was because of their GREED and JEALOUSY.

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ClickHitBoom a écrit :

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

I guess there are too many hypocrites here and when they personal interests is compromised, they went berserk.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing with this thread? Going berserk because your personal interest of getting league uniques cheap is compromised by the fact that they aren't in normal?

PS: That is what Zana mod was created for. Don't like the cost? Too bad.

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lif44 a écrit :

To be fair, you've had three months to either farm the currency to account for inflation when the seasonal items do make it over to standard leagues (you know they exist and if you just have to have them without giving up your characters on standard, wouldn't you plan ahead instead of being concerned with farming for them after the fact?).

I really don't see the issue when its been pretty widely accepted at this point that the standard leagues are on the low concern tier of GGG's priority list.

If you really want to get ahold of the league specific items pretty quickly, you'd be better off playing in the hardcore league and spending the lower cost (in comparison to raw currency) to get the items you desire, or better yet make friends with league hardcore players, I know personally my stash is full of shit from me dying that will literally never see use again on standard because I just have no desire to play in a dump league.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

1)If league exclusive items were available in Standard at the same time as the leagues then the leagues might as well not exist

>> I am saying league exclusive items being available for farming only after league ends, not during leagues.

-> Often times they have been. Take Prophecy, for instance. As Prophecy was incorporated into the core game, all its uniques came as well. If you're arguing for post-league farming it is currently available for a lot of past leagues. Just look at all the divination cards that give past items, and the mods that Zana herself has.

2) One of the reasons the temp leagues exist is to test the new mechanics that GGG has thought of.

>>If it is really a testing ground like what you have claimed, then shouldn't the items be made available for be testing in std too?

-> The items are actually available in standard during the leagues as well as afterwards (during from ripped HC characters, if they decide to liquidate their chars) and afterwards from people coming in with the items, or from the mechanics themselves coming in.
The new leagues are tests for encounter mechanics, most of the time, not items. Take things like breaches, perandus chests, prophecies, or warbands. As for why the encounter mechanics themselves don't come in to standard immediately, see point #3.

3) If the league mechanics are unbalanced/anti-fun, Standard can be preserved as is (a previous 'snapshot' of the game, if you will) without having to have the changes in it.

>> This is not a valid reason to punish std players. If they really want to preserve something they could have simply introduce the changes in the patch notes.

-> This is not a punishment, lol. Keeping the game mechanics 'balanced' in Standard is for the good of everyone who plays the league consistently.

4) "League and Standard setup is fine as is."

>> It is not "fine as it is" as long as std players are being punished.

-> How are you being punished? I've played quite a bit of Standard myself (I'm not playing it atm cause of the Mjolner changes). If you're saying you're being punished because you're not able to get all of the league exclusive uniques from the past without buying them from another player, this is not a valid argument. You have access to them if you really want it, and most of them you are able to find yourself if you go about it in the right way.
There's an opportunity cost for playing Standard and for playing leagues.
The cost for playing leagues is having to do all of your progression over again, while being able to enjoy new content, which typically includes encounters and new unique items.
The cost for playing the permanent league is having to wait for temp leagues to end for the mechanics to roll into the core game and having to purchase the uniques sometimes, while being able to enjoy all your progression from your past characters.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

1) All players should have equal opportunities to enjoy the same additions to the game.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

2) Players should not be neglected/penalized just because they play in different modes