Please remove all league exclusive items for incoming new leagues

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ClickHitBoom a écrit :

There are only 2 legitimate reasons to keep standard.

1. Long-term players (SSF) like Anuhart who would lose out on reaching end game content or could never play t1 builds because SSF requires no-lifing.

2. You need to have some kind of dumping ground of all the stuff that gets accumulated in leagues. They shouldn't just delete characters because a lot of time was invested into them. I like knowing that my chars are still in standard (also the reason I don't ever sell off my gear to fund new builds).

I'll echo other comments. I don't know how people play standard after leagues. It's just so boring.

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Docbp87 a écrit :

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Necromael a écrit :

So, on one side we have people that say that they don't care about standard, and on the other side people that say "muh league exclusive value on standard". So can someone tell me, does standard matter or not in the end? Cause I see so many symmetricaly opposite opinions that its nauseating.

As I stated before, I can only say that it is hypocritical to claim that standard doesn't matter and shun it, and at the same time prevent any changes. So one claim is false in there.

Both of these people are arguing for the same thing... Literally only OP wants League-exclusives to be available in standard during the duration of leagues.

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alg0801 a écrit :

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Jerle a écrit :

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

That's a silly comparison...considering the fact that POE is a game and not life. POE is a video game; a form of entertainment.

The whole point of content being added to a video game is for the user base to play said content. It's just silly to lock that content away behind a pay wall that only people who are already wealthy will be able to afford. People only run Zana map mods for chancing or adding quantity to maps at this point, not to experience the content or mechanics because it's not worth the chaos orbs in general.

IE if you can afford to run Zana map mods all day, you can probably already afford to buy the League-specific uniques that you need.

Zana Map mods should be free and all Leagues should end up as Zana map mods. Change Zana crafting to work just like other forms of bench crafting where you can pick and choose nerfed prefixes/suffixes to customize maps....there you now have a new currency sink to replace the old.

And exalts should ooze out of your nose like transmutes. Shavs and 6l should be purchasable from vendors for 1c. Yea. It's a game so everyone should have god mode and experience all you want regardless of time commitment. We'll see if that makes POE great again.

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Jerle a écrit :

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

This is a fallacious argument. People make choices and should know full well what they are getting out of it. You don't always get the best of both worlds.

I would love to try all the meta builds with the best possible gears.

I would love to get 40/40 in the league.

I would love to get 1000ex to try my hand at some mirror worthy crafts.

BUT if I choose not to no-life away at POE then I can only focus and see if there's something I can achieve with my time at POE. You want to min-max your character but you don't have time to do so in a temp league. So you choose to play in standard. That is your choice and your choice includes forsaking the chance to have an easier time getting league exclusive items.

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Docbp87 a écrit :

OP you are literally just saying you don't like the system as it is because you have to either play leagues, or spend currency in standard. How is this anything other than "I want it, but I don't want to put in the effort to get it, so you should just give it to me."

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Docbp87 a écrit :

All this is is an argument for the further "casualization" of PoE, a game that was never intended to appeal to the casual crowd. There are other games for that. That's why OP is getting this reaction. PoE is meant to be the game for the no-lifers, the real grinders. Sadly, that isn't the case anymore, but some of us would like for at least SOME of those less "gimme gimme gimme" aspects to remain.

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zSavage a écrit :

A few things:

1) If league exclusive items were available in Standard at the same time as the leagues then the leagues might as well not exist.

-> Take Breach, for example. All the uniques exclusive to the league come from the mechanic the league introduces (the breaches themselves). To incorporate the items into the permanent leagues, Breaches would have to come into Standard, which would mean there might as well be no temporary league to test the mechanic.

2) One of the reasons the temp leagues exist is to test the new mechanics that GGG has thought of.

-> Often, if they go well, they are incorporated in to the core game (aka STD, HC, and all temp leagues to follow), although often with a reduced recurrence rate. Strongboxes, Essences, Prophecies, Nemesis monsters, Bloodlines packs, and Rogue exiles are all things that were introduced in temporary leagues that were then migrated into the core game after the league that introduced them ended.

3) If the league mechanics are unbalanced/anti-fun, Standard can be preserved as is (a previous 'snapshot' of the game, if you will) without having to have the changes in it.

-> Take, for example, during the Invasion league, when the invasion bosses were insanely powerful and often oneshotted players offscreen. If this mechanic (which was the HC temp league) was in the permanent HC league, a lot of players would have lost their characters that they may have played for quite some time, due to an unbalanced/unfair mechanic.

-> Typically, the league mechanics are not really balanced at the beginning of the league (they are often overtuned/do too much damage). Imagine you're working on that character in STD that you're trying to get to a high level after a new untested mechanic comes in. You encounter it, die, and lose a lot of experience and therefore time.

4) Having league items available in 'blocks' (like competitive MTG) limits the kind of insane build combinations that can be made that the devs have to balance the new content around.

League and Standard setup is fine as is. Have patience and wait for the new items to either come over or be available through mechanics after the leagues end.

-Savage

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Necromael a écrit :

So, on one side we have people that say that they don't care about standard, and on the other side people that say "muh league exclusive value on standard". So can someone tell me, does standard matter or not in the end? Cause I see so many symmetricaly opposite opinions that its nauseating.

As I stated before, I can only say that it is hypocritical to claim that standard doesn't matter and shun it, and at the same time prevent any changes. So one claim is false in there.