Please remove all league exclusive items for incoming new leagues

if you trade league items in standard, that means you care about standard and play there. So ya, standard league players in this thread saying no, I dont want ways that items become valuable and collectible in this game being fucked because people who dont want to do what it takes to get them are demanding they still get to have the items.

Oh how terrible, how terrible these people are who want things in this game to have value and require effort to have, in this trading arpg game...

fuck sake, listen to yourselves.

So, on one side we have people that say that they don't care about standard, and on the other side people that say "muh league exclusive value on standard". So can someone tell me, does standard matter or not in the end? Cause I see so many symmetricaly opposite opinions that its nauseating.

As I stated before, I can only say that it is hypocritical to claim that standard doesn't matter and shun it, and at the same time prevent any changes. So one claim is false in there.

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Necromael a écrit :

So, on one side we have people that say that they don't care about standard, and on the other side people that say "muh league exclusive value on standard". So can someone tell me, does standard matter or not in the end? Cause I see so many symmetricaly opposite opinions that its nauseating.

As I stated before, I can only say that it is hypocritical to claim that standard doesn't matter and shun it, and at the same time prevent any changes. So one claim is false in there.

Both of these people are arguing for the same thing... Literally only OP wants League-exclusives to be available in standard during the duration of leagues.

A few things:

1) If league exclusive items were available in Standard at the same time as the leagues then the leagues might as well not exist.

-> Take Breach, for example. All the uniques exclusive to the league come from the mechanic the league introduces (the breaches themselves). To incorporate the items into the permanent leagues, Breaches would have to come into Standard, which would mean there might as well be no temporary league to test the mechanic.

2) One of the reasons the temp leagues exist is to test the new mechanics that GGG has thought of.

-> Often, if they go well, they are incorporated in to the core game (aka STD, HC, and all temp leagues to follow), although often with a reduced recurrence rate. Strongboxes, Essences, Prophecies, Nemesis monsters, Bloodlines packs, and Rogue exiles are all things that were introduced in temporary leagues that were then migrated into the core game after the league that introduced them ended.

3) If the league mechanics are unbalanced/anti-fun, Standard can be preserved as is (a previous 'snapshot' of the game, if you will) without having to have the changes in it.

-> Take, for example, during the Invasion league, when the invasion bosses were insanely powerful and often oneshotted players offscreen. If this mechanic (which was the HC temp league) was in the permanent HC league, a lot of players would have lost their characters that they may have played for quite some time, due to an unbalanced/unfair mechanic.

-> Typically, the league mechanics are not really balanced at the beginning of the league (they are often overtuned/do too much damage). Imagine you're working on that character in STD that you're trying to get to a high level after a new untested mechanic comes in. You encounter it, die, and lose a lot of experience and therefore time.

4) Having league items available in 'blocks' (like competitive MTG) limits the kind of insane build combinations that can be made that the devs have to balance the new content around.

League and Standard setup is fine as is. Have patience and wait for the new items to either come over or be available through mechanics after the leagues end.

-Savage

I don't know how you do it. I can't even stay awake playing dumpster HC anymore because for some reason only the HC temp leagues mean anything to me the last couple years.

Standard would be even worse. Just why.

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Necromael a écrit :

So, on one side we have people that say that they don't care about standard, and on the other side people that say "muh league exclusive value on standard". So can someone tell me, does standard matter or not in the end? Cause I see so many symmetricaly opposite opinions that its nauseating.

As I stated before, I can only say that it is hypocritical to claim that standard doesn't matter and shun it, and at the same time prevent any changes. So one claim is false in there.

standard matters, thats why they should stay league exclusive.

what is false is to presume standard players and new players want to play a game where items are not valuable and hard to get.

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Frenshi a écrit :

I don't know how you do it. I can't even stay awake playing dumpster HC anymore because for some reason only the HC temp leagues mean anything to me the last couple years.

Standard would be even worse. Just why.

this guy gets it

Standard is where the mirror, legacy, GG alt-arts at I just play league for fun and MTX...and league items like OP said.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Dear GGG,


Please remove all league exclusive items for incoming new leagues.

By making league exclusive unique items available only at new leagues, players are forced to play the league for those items.

I know that the league exclusive items will be available to STD players at POE trade once league ends but that will normally cost a bomb and not every players can actually afford multiple league exclusive items.

you know , that why we do play LEAGUE's !!!

no lag. player ? = no item's = simple :)

"Please remove all league exclusive items for incoming new leagues"

I would keep it as it is.. System of leagues brings diversity and different goals to both: standard and leagues.

If no more league exclusive thing happens, than there will die few important parts of PoE - difference in item hunting in both leagues etc, but mostly important the feel of achieving self made/prepared goals.