Please remove all league exclusive items for incoming new leagues

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DuckYourHead321 a écrit :

Gotta say this idea is terrible and they will never EVER implement. Do you realize that new leagues are basically just beta tests for new features right? They would never do anything to drive people away from that to standard.

On a personal note, how the fuck do you play standard? I cant even play for half an hour before the boredom sets in. Leagues are were its at bro, jump on that train.

Well you never know unless you try and if you try hard enough, GGG may make this changes one day.

There is lots of things to do in standard such as vaal-ing lv20q20 gems to level 21 and trying to "perfect" your character's build (min and maximum roles) and trying to reach level 100. That being said, that could take lots of time.

I am already on the train, just that, I find it torturing and not enjoyable because I am forced to do it.

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

I can see "League Exclusives" (LE) being exclusive for the period of the League, but then become part of the standard game's drop tables. They'd still draw players to get them to use them first, to make builds with them first, to play with them before they get nerfed, etc.

People who say Leagues are the only part of the game that matters, and then turn around and say they want the LE's so they can turn around and sell them on standard, or that Standard players can just buy them from them later... you're not making much sense here.

The whole "Leagues are beta tests for new features" thing has had an underwhelming track record, due to rarity of encounters. They say they don't want to overwhelm players with too much happening (or something like that)... right. As long as we have multiple difficulties, keep the normal playthrough as close to "vanilla" PoE as you like, but then add more league stuff on the repeat playthroughs, and especially in maps. I highly dislike league features only appearing as Zana mods a majority of the time (though I like the ability to add specific features non-randomly to a map as well as the random stuff appearing on its own).

Leagues are for people who like a flurry of trading and racing. There is more demand for items when everybody starts with nothing (obviously). That's the whole "fresh start" thing they advertise as a draw to league play. The new ladders give people something to race toward without race seasons (I think there could be more variety in race goals in leagues, not just Challenges). Leagues for me, are mainly about the challenges and the rewards you can only get from them.

LE's feel more like the missables in most RPGs that mean you have to start the whole game over to get them, or forever miss them on your play-through - Except you can't turn back time and get into a league (paying Zana per map is not what I mean here - would have to spend on every single map that people who played during the league got for free just for playing during that period of time). (I always try to find a missables guide on any long RPG before starting... like Xenogears badges and FFXII's don't open these treasure boxes so you can get the most powerful spear in the game from a chest later in the game thing...) I say this mainly because I play SSF, and won't be trading to get anything by trading later, and 3 months is hardly enough time for a casual player to get all the LEs on their own.

In other words, it feels like either too much of an advantage to league players, or too much of a punishment for non-league players (or people without enough time).

Maybe it's more of a casual/fanatic mindset debate, where neither will agree, and it's up to GGG to decide how much of their hard work gets put into the actual game that everyone who plays will experience, and isn't just wasted on 3 month duration leagues.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

This is a fallacious argument. People make choices and should know full well what they are getting out of it. You don't always get the best of both worlds.

I would love to try all the meta builds with the best possible gears.

I would love to get 40/40 in the league.

I would love to get 1000ex to try my hand at some mirror worthy crafts.

BUT if I choose not to no-life away at POE then I can only focus and see if there's something I can achieve with my time at POE. You want to min-max your character but you don't have time to do so in a temp league. So you choose to play in standard. That is your choice and your choice includes forsaking the chance to have an easier time getting league exclusive items.

I'd rather they just let Zana mod every league, which I don't understand why they don't anyway.

OP you are literally just saying you don't like the system as it is because you have to either play leagues, or spend currency in standard. How is this anything other than "I want it, but I don't want to put in the effort to get it, so you should just give it to me."

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Jerle a écrit :

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

This is a fallacious argument. People make choices and should know full well what they are getting out of it. You don't always get the best of both worlds.

I would love to try all the meta builds with the best possible gears.

I would love to get 40/40 in the league.

I would love to get 1000ex to try my hand at some mirror worthy crafts.

BUT if I choose not to no-life away at POE then I can only focus and see if there's something I can achieve with my time at POE. You want to min-max your character but you don't have time to do so in a temp league. So you choose to play in standard. That is your choice and your choice includes forsaking the chance to have an easier time getting league exclusive items.

That's a silly comparison...considering the fact that POE is a game and not life. POE is a video game; a form of entertainment.

The whole point of content being added to a video game is for the user base to play said content. It's just silly to lock that content away behind a pay wall that only people who are already wealthy will be able to afford. People only run Zana map mods for chancing or adding quantity to maps at this point, not to experience the content or mechanics because it's not worth the chaos orbs in general.

IE if you can afford to run Zana map mods all day, you can probably already afford to buy the League-specific uniques that you need.

Zana Map mods should be free and all Leagues should end up as Zana map mods. Change Zana crafting to work just like other forms of bench crafting where you can pick and choose nerfed prefixes/suffixes to customize maps....there you now have a new currency sink to replace the old.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Is it really true that perandus map mod from zana actually gives league exclusive unique items? I am not sure about that but in the previous league ,prophecy, i was 40/40 and i do perandus map mod like a mad man and yet ZERO league exclusive unique items dropped.

I'm not sure about all league specific items, but I did get the item you mentioned as an example from cadiro before. People have also gotten headhunter, voll's devotion, etc. I'm not sure if he has any items that came out after perandus league though.

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

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DuckYourHead321 a écrit :

Gotta say this idea is terrible and they will never EVER implement. Do you realize that new leagues are basically just beta tests for new features right? They would never do anything to drive people away from that to standard.

On a personal note, how the fuck do you play standard? I cant even play for half an hour before the boredom sets in. Leagues are were its at bro, jump on that train.

Well you never know unless you try and if you try hard enough, GGG may make this changes one day.

There is lots of things to do in standard such as vaal-ing lv20q20 gems to level 21 and trying to "perfect" your character's build (min and maximum roles) and trying to reach level 100. That being said, that could take lots of time.

I am already on the train, just that, I find it torturing and not enjoyable because I am forced to do it.

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

They will never EVER make this change, they literally didn't even want to have a standard league. If you go hunting im sure you can find Chris Wilson(i think it was him) talking about it. This is just like d2 ladders, its the same concept. Leagues will always be part of a game like this, there will always be the need for an economic restart.

Feel free to play in standard, but this is 100% what this game will always bee. Really you need to be happy there is a standard at all.

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alg0801 a écrit :

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Jerle a écrit :

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YoursTruly86 a écrit :

Shouldn't games should be made enjoyable for everyone, including people who chose to play in standard?

This is a fallacious argument. People make choices and should know full well what they are getting out of it. You don't always get the best of both worlds.

I would love to try all the meta builds with the best possible gears.

I would love to get 40/40 in the league.

I would love to get 1000ex to try my hand at some mirror worthy crafts.

BUT if I choose not to no-life away at POE then I can only focus and see if there's something I can achieve with my time at POE. You want to min-max your character but you don't have time to do so in a temp league. So you choose to play in standard. That is your choice and your choice includes forsaking the chance to have an easier time getting league exclusive items.

That's a silly comparison...considering the fact that POE is a game and not life. POE is a video game; a form of entertainment.

The whole point of content being added to a video game is for the user base to play said content. It's just silly to lock that content away behind a pay wall that only people who are already wealthy will be able to afford. People only run Zana map mods for chancing or adding quantity to maps at this point, not to experience the content or mechanics because it's not worth the chaos orbs in general.

IE if you can afford to run Zana map mods all day, you can probably already afford to buy the League-specific uniques that you need.

Zana Map mods should be free and all Leagues should end up as Zana map mods. Change Zana crafting to work just like other forms of bench crafting where you can pick and choose nerfed prefixes/suffixes to customize maps....there you now have a new currency sink to replace the old.

All this is is an argument for the further "casualization" of PoE, a game that was never intended to appeal to the casual crowd. There are other games for that. That's why OP is getting this reaction. PoE is meant to be the game for the no-lifers, the real grinders. Sadly, that isn't the case anymore, but some of us would like for at least SOME of those less "gimme gimme gimme" aspects to remain.

Well, league to standard traders went full berserk at this thread, as they do each time. Shows how endangered species they are and trying to make their claims be the voice of whole or majority of community.

If they were more right, forums couldn't handle the weight of their statements and would crash.

Sadly it's all bollocks, so we are safe for now.