"Never pay-to-win" Dishonest Marketing by GGG?

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innervation a écrit :

The definition of winning in a discussion of "pay-to-win" is irrelevant...right.

You people should really be more upset over and/or hung up on the fact that top streamers and racers get free stuff showered on them by their fanboys. That has an exponentially bigger impact on early race progress than tabs, and that's something many degrees of difficulty harder to replicate through effort or time on your part in the first week of a league.

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To make my position more clear, I'm suggesting that all you need to win in this game is 20c, and that having extra stash tabs only yields you more income at a rate (not that high) and a time (after you've gotten to maps) that it doesn't get you to 20 faster than the threshold of it mattering (you only need the gear for mapping). I hope that is coherent enough.

On the flip side, I've still asked for an expressed, detailed series of premises from the pay-to-win camp and haven't gotten them. You need to make this argument clearly, because the optics clearly aren't in favor of it - people buy stash tabs every day, and they don't go rocketing up the ladders. So if it's less obvious, and more insidious than this, please explain.

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

I personally do have 4 indexed stash tabs. I have not purchased any supporter packs but I buy skin transfers every season, I've purchased some in game skill and armor effects as well as guild micros(just pointing out that I support this game to some degree). I personally think that everyone ought to purchase at least one index-linked stash tab so they do not get left behind. If you like the game, as I do very much, these are much more than a convenience and all you really need is one unless you are a career player. I have made more trades since I purchased them than in the entire 3+ years I have played this game. If you want to discuss what winning means. It is a matter of opinion. Accumulating a lot of wealth might be winning to some players, even if they do not have the highest level characters. Indexed tabs GREATLY assist in the accumulation of wealth as well as saving a lot of time having to use various other methods of trading. The point is, no-ptw should be not be advertised. All things are not equal between the guys that spend cash and the ones who don't.

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mark1030 a écrit :

All having premium tabs taught me is that everything I find is shit nobody wants to buy. I should be doing much better if having tabs equated to anything other than storing a bunch of worthless shit. I have alot of tabs. Each league I use fewer and fewer of them as I learn that 99% of what I find is crap and saving crap is just a waste of time. If having tabs was winning, what does having some 60 empty tabs mean? Shouldn't they be full of winning?

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innervation a écrit :

The definition of winning in a discussion of "pay-to-win" is irrelevant...right.

You people should really be more upset over and/or hung up on the fact that top streamers and racers get free stuff showered on them by their fanboys. That has an exponentially bigger impact on early race progress than tabs, and that's something many degrees of difficulty harder to replicate through effort or time on your part in the first week of a league.

Edit:

To make my position more clear, I'm suggesting that all you need to win in this game is 20c, and that having extra stash tabs only yields you more income at a rate (not that high) and a time (after you've gotten to maps) that it doesn't get you to 20 faster than the threshold of it mattering (you only need the gear for mapping). I hope that is coherent enough.

On the flip side, I've still asked for an expressed, detailed series of premises from the pay-to-win camp and haven't gotten them. You need to make this argument clearly, because the optics clearly aren't in favor of it - people buy stash tabs every day, and they don't go rocketing up the ladders. So if it's less obvious, and more insidious than this, please explain.