"Never pay-to-win" Dishonest Marketing by GGG?

I would agree that having more tabs, premium, and currency ones, are a form of gaining convenience. You have a sizeable advantage in how you can utilize your inventory for trading purposes.

That being said, how do you win in PoE? Having more stash tabs in race events, don't help.. because the event is over before use them. Outside of racing, there is nothing competitive to define someone winning over another player. The act of creating a build, going though acts/maps killing monsters, finding loot to use or trade has no clear defined way of winning.

The pay to win concept gets thrown around a lot of free to play games but sometimes I feel like it doesn't have much context to a game like this. Certainly you gain an advantage in the trading game. But all that means is you have more access to powerful items to push your characters further. Or make multiple strong characters.

Literally there is no way to win, like you can't beat anyone in PoE... its not possible.

Map stashtab inc with world of atlas calling it now.
and anyone that says more tabs aren´t pay to win doesn´t play the game much at all.
having over 10 tabs or 20 + is a huge timesaver / advantage - less trips to vendor , less time worrying and sorting your stash.

"youve a hoarding problem"
no PoE is a hoardergame , if you don´t hoard you´ve a learn 2 play issue.

how are chisels made?
how are chaos recipes made?
how are gcps made?
how many tabs of maps do you´ve filled with yellows?

if i had to go back in time and play with 4 stashes , nowadays i´d just off myself.

game is free 2 try.
for the true experience you need at least 10 stashtabs and that makes the game around 20€/$
not even mentioning currency tab ( which is pathetic should be ingame on day one everyother game does it except poe and thats not something to be proud of )

more and more tabs are being added every day , more premium stuff , more armorsets overpriced.

if the game had a limitless stash it would be INCREDIBLE

but hey gotta pay cash for tabs , for some odd reason.

think of the poor kids in new zealand man.

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Kechop a écrit :

if the game had a limitless stash it would be INCREDIBLE

but hey gotta pay cash for tabs , for some odd reason.

think of the poor kids in new zealand man.

If the game had a limitless stash it would be nonexistent.

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e1337donkey a écrit :

Literally there is no way to win, like you can't beat anyone in PoE... its not possible.

There is PVP in this game. *trollface*

The less tabs you have , the more orginized you are. The more you convert your wealth to fewer items you use on the characters you have.

More tabs is not pay to win , it's pay 2 be lazy and messy .


+ you can make as many acounts as you want full of mule acounts , and GGG suports that so it's in no way pay2win to get them on 1 acount with Real cash .



You want to see P2W then go play one of the many P2W games and tell me if you feel it's the same after that . Go ahead Downlaod warthunder dump 500 bucks into it and see what that gets yha.


GGG has to have some form of monitization for people who care not about cosmetics and don't have alot of cash to spend , droping 20 bucks on PoE is a VERY fair prise to pay for the content in the game , and that will get you a very decent amount of preimium tabs to work with . Not pay to win

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Kechop a écrit :

Map stashtab inc with world of atlas calling it now.
and anyone that says more tabs aren´t pay to win doesn´t play the game much at all.
having over 10 tabs or 20 + is a huge timesaver / advantage - less trips to vendor , less time worrying and sorting your stash.

"youve a hoarding problem"
no PoE is a hoardergame , if you don´t hoard you´ve a learn 2 play issue.

how are chisels made?
how are chaos recipes made?
how are gcps made?
how many tabs of maps do you´ve filled with yellows?

What exactly do do you gain by filling a stash tab with maps? Will there ever be a time you run 144 maps without getting any in return? How many remove only tabs filled with maps do you have in a perm leagues that you never used? Same questions about the recipes. What do you gain by filling up a stash tab for the chaos recipe? The bottlenecks are amulets and sometimes rings. So filling a tab with all the other pieces is not giving you more recipes or helping you find the jewelry. You're wasting your space. Keep 1 set of everything and turn it in when you complete it.

When ggg starts charging for alternate accounts, stash tabs will be pay to win. As long as there is unlimited free storage, they are not.

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SirSid a écrit :

The less tabs you have , the more orginized you are. The more you convert your wealth to fewer items you use on the characters you have.

More tabs is not pay to win , it's pay 2 be lazy and messy .


+ you can make as many acounts as you want full of mule acounts , and GGG suports that so it's in no way pay2win to get them on 1 acount with Real cash .



You want to see P2W then go play one of the many P2W games and tell me if you feel it's the same after that . Go ahead Downlaod warthunder dump 500 bucks into it and see what that gets yha.


GGG has to have some form of monitization for people who care not about cosmetics and don't have alot of cash to spend , droping 20 bucks on PoE is a VERY fair prise to pay for the content in the game , and that will get you a very decent amount of preimium tabs to work with . Not pay to win

i'll disagree there on the lazy/messy point; having more tabs has let me organize my stuff far better--i can actually sort my gems by what type they are, keep items that i'm keeping to sue later and items that i'm setting up for selling (be it vendor recipes or player shop), lets me keep my divination cards from cluttering up where my other items are, and so on.

now that's not to say your statement is entirely untrue: having a crazy amount of tabs does grant one the luxury of grabbing more items and throwing them in en masse to identify/sell later, or just throwing things into tab 34b and forgetting about it.

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less trips to vendor

... What? You can't access your stash out in the field, and it doesn't increase inventory space. If you mean you stash everything, I can see why you have a space problem.

I, too, hoard every yellow and unique I find. It's okay to admit.

This may or may not have been mentioned already in the 13 pages before me that I have not (yet) read through, but:


Buying stash tabs, and even premium stash tabs, provides convenience and little else. The reason is that the kind of people that would gain any significant benefit from having 100+ premium stash tabs are the same people that would work the market if they only had four standard tabs.

I have over 100 premium tabs and do you know what I am: a fucking POE hoarder. I have shit that I will NEVER use or sell just taking up space. Part of this is because of a lack of quality ways to manage inventory within POE, but most of it is because I am lazy and instead of spending time working the market effectively (which is a PART OF THE GAME as GGG designed it) I would rather have the convenience of just tossing my random loot into yet another set of tabs.

My bank account has not allowed me to get ahead in this game in ANY way. It just allows me to play the game in a way that is more convenient for me.

The type of person that would gain an advantage over me if they had the same number of premium tabs as I do .....already has that advantage. Because it is the type of person that pays attention to all aspects of the game and can effectively flip items. They would not have 50+ pages of items for sale because having 50+ pages of items for sale means that you have 50+ pages of stuff priced too high. That's economics 101. That type of person would get the EXACT same benefit out of having 1 page of stuff for sale, they would sell out within a matter of hours, minutes even, and have new room for new things.

Furthermore, the benefit gained by having premium tabs over standard tabs in reference to sites like poe.xyz is a benefit gained from an outside source; a third party. I personally do not agree with the practice of allowing a company (if xyz can be referred to as such) that is not owned, or at least policed, by GGG to have special access to game data, but that is what they decided.


Finally, I would like to say that I think there is a VERY simple solution to all this: GGG should give 5 stash tabs: four standard and one premium by default to each character. that would, in theory give every player 25 free premium stash tabs. If you can't gain whatever P2W advantage you think having premium tabs would give you with that many then either it does not exist or you are just bad at the game (like me.....but it does not exist). I also think this would cause more players to make the plunge and buy a set or two because they are so damn convenient, but I am sure that GGG has done the metrics and they have the numbers on the likelihood of how many people would buy more versus how many people would be satisfied with free and not buy what they normally would.



Don't read the spoiler if you get your feelings hurt easy......in other news....how the piss do you add a title to a spoiler?

Selling stash / trade & currency tabs is pay to win , always was and always will be .