"Never pay-to-win" Dishonest Marketing by GGG?

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Rhilnix a écrit :

Go play to archeage,blade and soul,black desert online, tree of savior,devilian,lotro, ddo....etc

You'll see what is a real f2p and p2w.

Poe is a free game.

Tree of Savior is such a piece of shit lol. It lags literally all the time. If you think PoE is unoptimized, go download ToS and just try it.

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mouz a écrit :

Anyone know a game that is less P2W in their opinion, that is also completely F2P (no buying content)?

You don't want to go down that road, buddy. I mean, off the top of my head - all of Valve's big hits.


As it turns out, people are happy and willing to pay well for hats if your game is good. The difference in Valve's model is that most cosmetics are quite affordable, something like 2-3 dollars, but they rely on a high volume plus some ridiculously overpriced ones to keep the whales happy.

Oh, it's one of these threads again. Would you be happier if purchasing extra stash tabs would be disabled altogether? Or if everyone started with a single tab and was able to purchase up to three extra tabs with chaos orbs? After all, that seems to be the prevalent model in other games, whether free-to-play, pay-once-to-play or subscription-based. In fact PoE's 576 slots of free stash space is quite generous and not many games can top it.

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Xavderion a écrit :

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Rhilnix a écrit :

Go play to archeage,blade and soul,black desert online, tree of savior,devilian,lotro, ddo....etc

You'll see what is a real f2p and p2w.

Poe is a free game.

Tree of Savior is such a piece of shit lol. It lags literally all the time. If you think PoE is unoptimized, go download ToS and just try it.

Its funny how people keep on pulling out the new ARPG cards yet every single new ARPG that gets hyped like Tree of Savior and Devilian is complete poop.

Im 100% with both of you btw, those games, ugh. I feel sorry for the suckers who supported Tree of Savior especially.

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databeaver a écrit :

Oh, it's one of these threads again. Would you be happier if purchasing extra stash tabs would be disabled altogether? Or if everyone started with a single tab and was able to purchase up to three extra tabs with chaos orbs? After all, that seems to be the prevalent model in other games, whether free-to-play, pay-once-to-play or subscription-based. In fact PoE's 576 slots of free stash space is quite generous and not many games can top it.

What I have suggested is to put everyone on an equal playing field by giving all player access to one indexed stash tab so that they can quickly and easily trade just like the players that purchased the tabs. (Sure you can list items on the forum. No-one will likely respond and you will not likely generate very much currency. )

I think ggg would make MORE money in the long run from supporters if they uphold their non-p2w ethics with dignity instead of staining it by backpedaling from the original announcement that all money transactions are for purely cosmetic in game effects. That advertisement which brought many players here was a blatant lie.

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Heli0nix a écrit :

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I think the premium tabs are paying to get an in game in advantage - which I think is the common interpretation of "Pay to Win". I'm not saying if it is good or bad business by GGG - or judging GGG for charging for the premium stash tabs - or commenting on the price of the tabs - or judging those who do or do not have premium tabs - but is it not misleading to now advertise as "Never Pay to Win"?

premium stash tabs and why i'm shared about your toughts.

I've been using acquisition for a while and procurement then jumped to premium stash tabs;

If you are comparing them with premium stash tabs you will notice third party tools wich are FREE are giving much more advantages and options than premium tabs.
They are for the most part stable and quality tools aswell.

Sooo at the end it would be hard to say this game is pay to win :/
If they were removing third party tools it would be another story.

See my point ? :)

This is precisely why i dont own premium tabs at all. Acquisition still does alot of things better than premium tabs. Not worth the 15 GGG coins to upgrade or the price of premium alone when those free tools exist and do it better imo.

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

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databeaver a écrit :

Oh, it's one of these threads again. Would you be happier if purchasing extra stash tabs would be disabled altogether? Or if everyone started with a single tab and was able to purchase up to three extra tabs with chaos orbs? After all, that seems to be the prevalent model in other games, whether free-to-play, pay-once-to-play or subscription-based. In fact PoE's 576 slots of free stash space is quite generous and not many games can top it.

What I have suggested is to put everyone on an equal playing field by giving all player access to one indexed stash tab so that they can quickly and easily trade just like the players that purchased the tabs. (Sure you can list items on the forum. No-one will likely respond and you will not likely generate very much currency. )

I think ggg would make MORE money in the long run from supporters if they uphold their non-p2w ethics with dignity instead of staining it by backpedaling from the original announcement that all money transactions are for purely cosmetic in game effects. That advertisement which brought many players here was a blatant lie.

Great point, I think a lot of people thought the original advertisement of only cosmetic effects was a lie with the announcement of premium tabs. Even ZiggyD (arguably one of the greatest supporters of Path of Exile) also thought GGG would stain their reputation with the premium stash tabs and suggested something similar to what you have above.

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

. (Sure you can list items on the forum. No-one will likely respond and you will not likely generate very much currency. )

Sounds like you never had a shop. It doesn't work like that. You post the items on the forums and it gets listed on poe.trade. Just like items in premium tabs. You can even avoid the delay in it showing up on poe.trade by using Acquisition, which tells poe.trade that you put the item in the shop so it updates right away. Nobody goes through shop threads on the forums to find items to buy.

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mark1030 a écrit :

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xxSerpentlordxx a écrit :

. (Sure you can list items on the forum. No-one will likely respond and you will not likely generate very much currency. )

Sounds like you never had a shop. It doesn't work like that. You post the items on the forums and it gets listed on poe.trade. Just like items in premium tabs. You can even avoid the delay in it showing up on poe.trade by using Acquisition, which tells poe.trade that you put the item in the shop so it updates right away. Nobody goes through shop threads on the forums to find items to buy.

This, i was about to comment on it but you did it already.

For me personally, "Pay to Win" has always been indicative of pay to buy power. With clear advantages.. weapons/armour, experience/time.

Life, isn't a serious of black and white choices, there are many shades of grey. If you search long and hard enough without being facetious you can usually find an acceptable answer that a lines with your beliefs.

What has always remained a constant with me, is that even before taking into account the ability to buy more tabs. Path of Exiles base amount of tabs, far exceeds others of it's kin and these games too have in the past or currently still do offer trading between players. This basis alone is the shade by which I consider PoE not to be of the pay to win variety.

Now if another game were to come along and say offer, 6, 8 or even 10 tabs of it's like would PoE then be considered "Pay to Win"? I am buying, at the very core of the argument a larger amount that is already some of the largest in this games specific genre, space.

I am not buying, Sword of a Thousand Truths, Shavronne's Wrappings, double experience or act/difficulty skips. I am buying a larger amount of tabs that is already larger or thee largest (without an actual check) of space offered by these specific games. Trade I believe has been most greatly offered here in PoE. You already have the greatest ability to make the best of trade right here when compared with others.

Now you shall settle for what you have, and find new problems. It is the human condition.