10 Reasons Why We All Play Chaos Builds (Bump if You Hate Reflect)

i forgot to add:

Vaal Pact is THE reason poe's balance is a joke. it (and any and all forms of instant leech) should GO and never return

after that we can keep the crits, the CoCSs, the rainbowpukes and several other idiotic concepts.

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CentauriSoldier a écrit :

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Add double dipping and you've got 6 reasons. 10 + 1 = 6, right?

Yeah, that works :P.

Actually, there are 3 more reasons:
1. Enemies have pretty low chaos resistance (compared to elemental).
2. Map mods and mob mods never add chaos resistance, nor chance to avoid poison.
3. With Hungering Void jewel, you can make any life leech based upon Chaos damage. It's a very strong bonus and shouldnt be underestimated.


Also, Consuming Dark may have nondescript stats, but it grants free poison (you dont even need to waste a gem slot to inflict it). As for Voltaxic, it allows your Chaos damage to Shock along with Poison...

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

1. I don't know exactly what you think is entitled about having high DPS at the cost of survivability. At its core, glassy styles are the most skill-intensive way to play the game, because manual hit avoidance is so much more important. If anything, your attitude feels like "I don't want the skill cap of the game to be higher than what I'm capable of." Which is a kind of entitlement itself.

Unavoidable damage is anti-skill.

this game has no skill. you can keep pretending like theres a skill besides flask usage, but to me, the game doesnt have much skill to it. this game is like 99% gear and knowledge, 1% skill.

finally, this has nothing to do with what Im capable of. Im not capable of playing like the 2%, simply because I work full-time, yet I want the game to remain balanced around the 2%.

high DPS in PoE is bad for many reasons, Im not sure why you have to have this spelled out, but here goes:

1. it provides best defense by having ton of offense. bursting down a tough boss in a second, as opposed to 4 seconds, is easier and provides less danger, especially with pre-potting, vaal skills and so on. only multi-phase bosses can live through this burst. and this isnt a true thing anymore with how much raw power players have. a glass cannon thing in poe isnt the same thing as it is in other rpgs or arpgs. a glass cannon in poe is an ES-based build with like 10k+ ES. susceptible to damage but able to tank some big hits.

2. it eliminates ANY need for creativity or auxiliary skills or debuffs. skills like blind on a flame totem, etc- whats the point of creating a cool auxiliary debuff when you can one-shot everything instead ? and actually this is a problem with DoT, because either its useless or its too powerful. either you kill everything with one dot or its not worth it. essentially, this is what poe is becoming. more damage gem multiplier is simply THE best choice.

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3. Yeah, solve how? Either in theorycrafting (by making the character just tank it, which means it's not really a gameplay threat) or flask choice. That's about it, outside of an OP duration buff or two.

either way works.

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4. Actually agree here. But it's irrelevant to reflect discussion, really.

no, its relevant because those all are reasons as to WHY people play chaos builds. if you have an elemental skill that does x damage and chaos skill with slightly lower damage, but with chaos you dont have to worry about map mods, mob resists, can benefit from double dipping on poison, and not worry about reflect, which would you choose ? lack of choice is a common theme. for choice to exist, things need to be roughly equal

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5. You say there's never been a better time to nerf raw DPS than now, but that's nonsense; it's already nerfed into the ground. There is no point is getting more DPS than needed to one-shot enemies, so if enemies are random Gorge speedrun trash then there's no need to have massive DPS. Going glass is stupid now, you can commit resources to tanking and still OHKO everything. I get what you're saying, that clearspeed is out of control, but your analysis of that situation is off.

what ? this is hilarious. DPS isnt nerfed into the ground, its highest its been because of multiplier gems. the NEED for even MORE dps isnt needed, that much is true, because the base dps just off the gems and ascendancies is enough already- its huge.

again, in your head, remove all the more multipliers to chaos and other things that were introduced. remove ascendancies. remove double dipping on poison. do you need dps now ? I bet you do. thats the point. dps is at a level you get shitload of dps just by playing the game, without any effort or sacrifice.

the base DPS, coupled with AoE getting bigger and bigger and more inherent, is what changing game pace

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davidnn5 a écrit :

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grepman a écrit :

4. chaos isnt played because people hate reflect. it's played because it provides as much, if not more, raw power than elemental builds, has the most more multipliers to its supports aside from penetration, has very few monsters resistant to it, has auxiliary means of lowering chaos resists (ascendancies, wither totem) has very few map mods detrimental to health or clear speed, and yeah, no reflect.

Total, arrant nonsense. No sparker plays with a voltaxic because it gives them better damage.

those are exactly the points mathil talked about in his video.

again, let me repeat:

if you have an elemental skill that does x damage and chaos skill with slightly lower damage, but with chaos you dont have to worry about map mods, mob resists, can benefit from double dipping on poison, and not worry about reflect, which would you choose ? lack of choice is a common theme. for choice to exist, things need to be roughly equal

and thats me quoting myself !

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Casual_Ascent a écrit :

Reflect is good. And now that the conversion will be 'reworked', it can once again shine!

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dude you don't have a clue or you are obviosly making a new account just to troll everyone else


REFLECT IS SO BROKEN PEOPLE 1SHOT THEMSELVES AND DIE INSTANTLY

if GGG is gonna nerf chaos - they have to nerf reflect too so it won't make such a diffrence

so GGG keep chaos as it is or nerf reflect along with chaos

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chocolatemilch a écrit :

REFLECT IS SO BROKEN PEOPLE 1SHOT THEMSELVES AND DIE INSTANTLY

lol so maybe dont do a ton of dps and people will not one shot themselves with reflect ?

or even better, play aware and see a mob with reflect aura instead of dps'ing down the screen ?

reflect has one shot people forever. ironically, when they removed thornflesh from the game, there were no screams about reflect anymore. until now, when damage output skyrocketed so high a poe stream looks like benny hill music montage mixed with d3 pace

wait you joined last november and are talking about someones join date ? oh the irony...

op heres another free bump btw.

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grepman a écrit :

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chocolatemilch a écrit :

REFLECT IS SO BROKEN PEOPLE 1SHOT THEMSELVES AND DIE INSTANTLY

lol so maybe dont do a ton of dps and people will not one shot themselves with reflect ?

or even better, play aware and see a mob with reflect aura instead of dps'ing down the screen ?

Don't play the Ranger class - is that what you are saying? Or perhaps you are trying to say that everybody with a bow must use illegal zoom hacks? Otherwise it's simply not possible to see a reflective rare outside of your screen getting hit with your arrows.