watching Streamers do the Hardcore one-month, made me realize something

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kan333 a écrit :

I'm literally (now) saying to you: play smart not stupid and accept the consequences of your actions and mistakes. Obviously if someone is progressing then they are taking risks. The examples you're giving make me feel like you don't want to accept the consequences of playing a HC but still want to play it.

I'm giving you actual gameplay examples of unpredicatble situations, where you might gtfo after realizing you bite more than you could chew. The possibility of fast escape allows you to be a bit more daring, than you would be under a no-escape design.

But there are other, technical reasons, because of which GGG will never implement a delay on logout. Like it or not, combat here is designed around spike damage, insta-heal and possibility of escape.

I count myself as a no-skilled idiot, but I definitely have a lot of fun fighting hard shit in hardcore. If I were getting paid for this, maybe I'd play "right", but it's my character, and my time.

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

I have a lot of time and respect for ZiggyD. He is overflowing with sportsmanship and genuinely seems to want to share that with the community.

I don't.

^^

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ionface a écrit :

I count myself as a no-skilled idiot, but I definitely have a lot of fun fighting hard shit in hardcore. If I were getting paid for this, maybe I'd play "right", but it's my character, and my time.

it's not personal against you, Ion, or anyone else including Streamers like LiftingNerd, who I respect a lot, but frankly watching him cheese Dominus with Portal Grace Periods while his comrades do most of the fighting, was stomach-turning.

it's personal, against the "altf4 culture" which brute-forced itself into the game.
the notion, that if you don't log-out you are making a mistake. that if you don't skip scary stuff and/or pay/ask others to kill scary stuff for you, this somehow makes you a terrible player that doesn't understand the game.

the completely fucked-up situation, which puts the loggers/exploiters/cheaters/kill-payers on a pedestal and says "if you aren't doing it, you must be playing the wrong damn game".
that's what makes me cringe.

and if Chris is indeed looking at it all, and thinking "hmm, maybe we should put moar bullshit one-shot, desync-prone, screen-freezing stuff into the game, because people are playing 'ends justify the means' anyway" - that's fucking inexcusable.

Hmmm, I got my links, I got my quote. And I have to say, reading Chris' post where he actually pretty directly says that bosses are designed with alt-f4 in mind, I'm baffled.

I've played hard core A LOT, both in D2 and D3. And I can't come close to understanding what's "hard core" about alf-f4'ing.

I knew it was allowed - and even encouraged. But that in game content is designed with alt-f4 in mind? Design choices like that makes me rethink some of the money I've spent (and yes, I've spent a great deal), because that is so far from my way of thinking, my way of playing and my way of... Everything.

Why not just have an "escape" skill gem, allowing instant escape to BIOS screen?

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FireWalkWithMe a écrit :

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johnKeys a écrit :

"skip this", whoever abuses and exploits the fuck out of the game just to stay alive

Only a no-skilled idiot would fight everything in HC.

well said and we all know where those idiots end up :)

 Very strange that anyone should call fowl for using a PoE game feature. GGG programmed PoE with an emergency escape when you need it. You will never get GGG to publicly admit to allowing us to the Alt-F4 bail out to compensate for the stupidly high desync we must put up with to play in this sandbox but that's why we get this in PoE. Better to bail out than die and be knocked out of an HC league or lose 10% in an SC league.

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Arrowneous a écrit :

 Very strange that anyone should call fowl for using a PoE game feature. GGG programmed PoE with an emergency escape when you need it. You will never get GGG to publicly admit to allowing us to the Alt-F4 bail out to compensate for the stupidly high desync we must put up with to play in this sandbox but that's why we get this in PoE. Better to bail out than die and be knocked out of an HC league or lose 10% in an SC league.

man that's like saying "GGG are to blame for allowing the players to shut down their computers".
alt+f4 is part of Windows. it's part of the OS, for which Path Of Exile is merely one more process out of a thousand.

but the culture which effectively says "not only is it ok to log out, you are a stupid person and an awful player if you don't" - is what makes it extremely easy for GGG to go ahead and punish the players who are here to play the actual game, just to have a better shot at making an alt-f4er RIP.
one shots, bullshit mechanics... even good old desync are all still here and still in full force, not so much because people altf4. but mostly because it's becoming a strong recommendation for people who try not to, to embrace the way of the exploit and macro.
a deadly cycle that feeds itself.

It sounds like what you are suggesting is just a player chosen game alternative. Such as self found.

What you mean is that, if you like, you can play the game as it isnt intended for more challenge. Absolutely you can. Fair play, hf.

But logging out when you're about to die is part of the game as it's intended. Games you cant do this on, tend to be a lot lot easier to compensate.

Besides, it's just the smart thing to do. I take on hard bosses, when I am confident i have a 95% chance of not dying. And sometimes that 5% has been to my downfall. But i had fun, and I usually start taking more risks when i have built a nice char im happy with and just go out having more funs.

All you are doing in this argument as proposing an alternative game style. Your thread might as well be this:

"Come on seriously guys, wtf are you all doing, you arent hardcore. You need to play without flasks in order to be truely hardcore".

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Arrowneous a écrit :

 Very strange that anyone should call fowl for using a PoE game feature. GGG programmed PoE with an emergency escape when you need it. You will never get GGG to publicly admit to allowing us to the Alt-F4 bail out to compensate for the stupidly high desync we must put up with to play in this sandbox but that's why we get this in PoE. Better to bail out than die and be knocked out of an HC league or lose 10% in an SC league.

I think that's the whole point. As much as I respect Chris and GGG but his reasoning for alt+f4 seems pure bullshit.