watching Streamers do the Hardcore one-month, made me realize something

I'm trying again:

If logging out in the middle of danger is allowed, encouraged and even a part of the game design, why not just add a skill gem for it? Let's call it the "Care Bear Gem", "Desync Gem", "Log Out Like A Man Gem" or whatever. Let me see some constructive answers on this. Please.

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Baron01 a écrit :

Where is the excitement from possible death any second if you know that you can always ALT+F4 and ensure your survival?

because this is what you are getting wrong.

you can't always rely on alt-f4.

Have you done halls of the grandmasters map? A lot of the mobs there have insane damage and you cant 100% rely on alt f4 to save you because the damage is just so high, or the dot can kill you even after you logged etc etc.

I attempted that map with some friends and the but clench was real. After kiting and trying to kill a fakener build half way down one of the halls and having to log to refil pots a friend of mine still died almost instantly to him once he go flickered and cycloned.

And I was brough down to <15% hp at least 3 times before I could pot up. (at the time 6-ish k hp)

Many people would have just dropped dead instantly from damage like that.

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I'm trying again:

If logging out in the middle of danger is allowed, encouraged and even a part of the game design, why not just add a skill gem for it? Let's call it the "Care Bear Gem", "Desync Gem", "Log Out Like A Man Gem" or whatever. Let me see some constructive answers on this. Please.

no one will give a serious answer to a troll/bait question

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morbo a écrit :

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Zed_ a écrit :

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morbo a écrit :

What makes PoE HC, HC-lite, is not 'AltF4', but the fact that it's not permadeath and you can (with official blessing) cross-trade your SC wealth into a HC league.

Not really true for temp leagues though, especially at the start. And almost all HC players play temp leagues.

Cross trading is still officially allowed between the two temp. leagues. So in theory you could start in softcore temp., amass wealth and then trade it for HC progression.

I'm thinking of another type of cross-trading that still goes on...

Also I can confirm logging out is also used in SC, 10% is a lot at high levels. I like how John has no answer however to legitimate uses of Alt-F4 (preventing desync death) and insists on fighting a flawed argument.

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Chundadragon a écrit :

I like how John has no answer however to legitimate uses of Alt-F4.

In my opinion there are no legitimate uses of Alt-F4

I doubt none of the guys who are crying over alt+f4 have actually played the game enough to understand it. You will still die even if you rely alt+f4 when in trouble. First of all you won't be able to hit it in most cases before you are dead. In other cases you may alt+f4 but spike damage between that 50ms before server recognizes it and logs you out renders you dead. I've died characters that way so has my friends. Conclusion: you can't alt+f4 out of everything, you will die

And to be honest you rarely need to alt+f4. You will likely recognize situations that you won't survive and don't engage them when you have enough acknowledge about the game

I'm atleast happy for the way things are now. Game offers challenge in certain situations with exciting fights which probably wouldn't be possible if people were not able to escape situation. Game would simply be too hard for majority and at current stage we have actually so many different "events" going on which may or may not appear that ggg will likely need to tune those down. New players with no knowledge about old leagues can die in so many different ways that "new player experience" probably isn't good.

So stop complaining and play the game. Most people don't care if you alt+f4 or not, they actually play the game :O Same goes for sc / hc trading. Who the hell cares? If someone want's to play sc and accumulate wealth and trade it for hc, do it. You would need to play two leagues and then find someone to trade with etc.. If someone is willing to go thru that .. well.. I don't care. It's a way to play the game for someone (not me)

Also it is sometimes fun to actually play manmode (preferably as melee) and see how far it will get you but that's whole different than a way to think about your approaches and try to survive as long as you can. You will die when playing recklessly and killing all and everything is reckless.
Manmode --> premature death
For example in the last temp league we had fun evening with the friend.. Played little poe on hc temp league with BallsOfSteel-mode activated. This eventually lead to that my friend ripped 4 80lvl+ chars and I ripped 2 if I remember right (alcohol may have something to do with the result). Well we had fun and we really engaged everything but you can see the result.. It isn't nice and ripping several characters in evening isn't really optimal :D

This Thread: 99% of posts seem to be missing the point made by the OP

Not bailing out shouldn't, essentially, make someone a bad player.
^That's what they were getting at.
Opening an unidentified strongbox in Merciless HC with no escape in mind would be a much better example of being a bad player; this is foolhardiness.

Some people are courageous and take calculated risks, they are not bad if they won't alt+F4 from a situation they made a conscious effort to attempt at their best.

The impression I get of us who will alt+F4 is that most of us don't jump at everything to do it. Some are likely abusing it to try to force an easy ride where they avoid every single risk at the drop of a hat, but I hope they are not the majority because that's clearly not the point of being able to log.


Regarding the GGG quote it just makes me want to hold off on my decision to get a support pack a little longer. I mean come on, you want to "design" things like Magnus 1-shot because you think it makes the game better? This is stupid and/or bull and many posts in this thread have already said this GGG.


What do I think of log escaping? Yeah we need it. It's an internet game so stupid things will happen beyond your control. But Alt+F4 is honestly a very inefficient way around this.
It's nice of them to code to recognise it and log you automatically when you use it, but it's such a waste killing the client and loading the whole thing back up again, especially when a lot of people have terrible loading right now for some reason (ISP caching giving people faulty clients or whatever is the excuse).

Put in a Panic Button. You know, directly in the game.
It logs you right out to the title screen without wasting processing and time reloading the entire application.
When I see Magnus and can't safely get to him to kill him I'm going to want a good option to run but I don't want to kill my entire process to do it.

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phrazz a écrit :

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Odoakar a écrit :

The game is designed around the ability to alt+f4.

Strangest design choice in the history of video games.

Please, show me a link with an official statement from a dev, supporting your statement. Not a "alt-f4 is OK". Not a "alt-f4 is allowed". Show me a statement where they say that the hard core mode is DESIGNED AROUND the ability to alt-f4.

"Let's design a hard core, loose it all mode. But remember: alt-f4'ing has to be allowed"

I refuse to believe this.

Simple, When i join in beta people where yelling on forum about DESYNC and how to fix it, people cry and keep asking how the hell to fight that back.


GGG could (and should) put that if you Alt-F4, you stay a few sec IG. A little bit like disconnection.

And inb4 people tell me i have no ball

On the 4 month Invasion i made over 50 toon, lost them all to some stupid shit i have done, lost 1 to something i can't ever understand, i log, was in town, TP to dock, i did not move for well 10 sec and game kick me, and i was back in STD....

shit happen, but that what make that game sweet, GGG aren't ALLOWING us to do it, they merly accept it since they is stuff beyong they reach that can affect people playing, but it's sure not something they suddently decide while making the game.

On a other note, GG to anyone that do (like us) face everything possible, if i run from a fight, i make sure to take note, lvl and come back. it's part of the game, and if i rip, SO i rip !!

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Hunt8722 a écrit :

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Chundadragon a écrit :

I like how John has no answer however to legitimate uses of Alt-F4.

In my opinion there are no legitimate uses of Alt-F4

So desync death with no mobs in the sight is skilled play?

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Chundadragon a écrit :

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Hunt8722 a écrit :

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Chundadragon a écrit :

I like how John has no answer however to legitimate uses of Alt-F4.

In my opinion there are no legitimate uses of Alt-F4

So desync death with no mobs in the sight is skilled play?

I have died from desync but never with no mobs in sight

How is pressing alt f4 skilled?

:)

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Hunt8722 a écrit :

I have died from desync but never with no mobs in sight

How is pressing alt f4 skilled?

:)

Alt F4 allows you to regain control when the client itself is causing you to die.

It's a counter to an attack.