Cast on Crit Really NEEDs a Nerf (Who Loves CoC k?)

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mucker a écrit :

I just want the mana cost on the spells getting cast to have an effect on the mana cost of the attack.
I don't think it is fair that higher level spells and supported spells don't increase the cost.
You can theoretically do something like barrage + coc + firestorm + stormcall + increased area + conc effect.
If you use a level 1 barrage you can pay a tiny amount of mana to spam two level 20 spells with two supports.
For me it just breaks the whole point of having spells have costs.

Cast when damage taken, cast on stun, cast on death you are exchanging a bad thing happening for the spell to cast.
Curse on hit I'm fine with, sockets are at a premium so if you want to use two extra sockets to get past the curse mana cost go for it.
Cast on melee kill.... Lol I wish I could make this worth using outside of silly Vaal cyclone setups. Even stronger than curse on hit with the socket opportunity cost.
But cast on crit... Crits are what you want to happen!
And you can use projectile attacks, which generally have way more support type overlap with spells than melee skills do.
There is just too little cost for the benefit provided.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

i like how people make opinions on cast on crit but never played a coc build.
How about you make a CoC char and then provide feedback. Since no one here will change your opinion on this, try it out, believe me its for the best.

Its powerful, but not as powerful as you think.

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Natharias a écrit :

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mucker a écrit :

I just want the mana cost on the spells getting cast to have an effect on the mana cost of the attack.
I don't think it is fair that higher level spells and supported spells don't increase the cost.
You can theoretically do something like barrage + coc + firestorm + stormcall + increased area + conc effect.
If you use a level 1 barrage you can pay a tiny amount of mana to spam two level 20 spells with two supports.
For me it just breaks the whole point of having spells have costs.

Cast when damage taken, cast on stun, cast on death you are exchanging a bad thing happening for the spell to cast.
Curse on hit I'm fine with, sockets are at a premium so if you want to use two extra sockets to get past the curse mana cost go for it.
Cast on melee kill.... Lol I wish I could make this worth using outside of silly Vaal cyclone setups. Even stronger than curse on hit with the socket opportunity cost.
But cast on crit... Crits are what you want to happen!
And you can use projectile attacks, which generally have way more support type overlap with spells than melee skills do.
There is just too little cost for the benefit provided.

Then you must hate Detonate Dead.

It's the least mana intensive skill and can one-shot entire rooms.

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Natharias a écrit :

For all of you that think CoC is powerful, look at all of the builds that can get 50+k DPS.

There is a build that uses crit and Bino's Kitchen Knife and basically one-shots enemies if it scores a critical hit. CoC can't do that.

Dischargers can one-shot mobs, without crit.

Flameblast can one-shot mobs, without crit.

There are plenty of things that can do more than CoC, but not visually.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

i like how people make opinions on cast on crit but never played a coc build.
How about you make a CoC char and then provide feedback. Since no one here will change your opinion on this, try it out, believe me its for the best.

Its powerful, but not as powerful as you think.

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feyith a écrit :

Why do you guys keep feeding the troll?

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mucker a écrit :

Lol yep DD drives me nuts. I don't get how they can be happy with a skill in the game you're better off not leveling in virtually all circumstances.
It wouldn't even be that hard... Increment something meaningful with gem level: the cast range or the area or level of the target corpse or percentage of the damage that is fire....

It baffles me that they can make mana such a tightly balanced resource for so much of the game and then have a gem here or there that just completely subverts it.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

Id like to add something to what I was saying. Theres a lot of talk on the forums about things being 'broken' and 'op'. To qualify for these descriptions I think a build or skill has to be out of balance with the rest of the game, you are saying its so much better than everything else that it breaks the diversity of the game because its always best to do this one thing.


According to the forums right now...

* CoC is broken, its either CoC or go home right now in PoE

* elemental weapon builds are broken. Everyones playing elemental attack now with auras, wrath and anger and ele attack in general confirmed broken. Path of wed.

* phys crit attacks, mainly daggers. Theyre just broken right now, big phys crits obliterate armour giving u far more bang per dps than ele builds, its broken.

* summoners are so broken right now, so powerful, absolutely ridiculous and thats why everyone is a summoner.

* spectral throw, the skill in itself, its just broken.

* arc is broken right now, thats why its self cast arc or get rekt right now in poe. Auto aim, massive deeps, the shocks are real.

* detonate dead is absolutely broken atm, pulp getting so high in the race? No gem leveling? Its bananas.

* Dual strike.... for real? that deeps? Its silly.

* Righteous Fire, you just stand there and things die, everyone in the game is playing Rf right now = broken.

* Molten Strike, over 100% effectiveness, and shotgun point blank balls in your enemies face, broken.

* low life, shavs has always been broken, if you are not low life right now you are not even playing the game.

* Mjolner, watched a video, much bang, nuf said, its broken.

* Windripper, dat crit tho

* kaoms heart, isnt this bis for every life build?


the list goes on and on. While the snapshotting aspects are broken and being fixed, aside from that angle dont you think theres a very real chance here that none of these are broken, and the reality is that there are a lot of powerful endgame build options in PoE right now? All of these things cant be so amazing compared to everything else that they break the game and need fixed, thats more builds listed than some arpgs have in total.