does GGG even ban RMTers

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Bars a écrit :

Using RMT is the stupidest thing one could do. It's like playing a game with cheats: it kills any sense of satisfaction or enjoyment. Everything becomes pointless and boring. I remember how I started playing D2 - it was my first RPG ever and I sucked at it. I quickly found out there were trainers (I was playing single player). It was innocent at first: oh, this skill sucks, let me just allocate these skill points from here to there. Then I said to myself, "this is stupid, I've played for so long now and nothing good has ever dropped. I DESERVE this and this item. It should have dropped by now!". So I gave my character a few uniques. I eventually completed the game on Hell and the whole thing felt so futile, so pointless... Even if something good dropped, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't even know that "OH FUCK OH FUCK YESYESYESES" feeling when you see something really good you've wanted for a long time.

TLDR: You should feel sorry for RMTers, not hate them. They are sad human beings who pay money for a very short-lived ego boost and completely ruin any potential for fun or enjoyment in the game.

Maybe what you're describing doesn't reveal the folly of cheating, but the futility of video games. They say that victory is meaningless if there is no risk of defeat. But I say challenge is meaningless if there is no prize. What is the prize of a video game?

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Veta321 a écrit :

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Bars a écrit :

Using RMT is the stupidest thing one could do. It's like playing a game with cheats: it kills any sense of satisfaction or enjoyment. Everything becomes pointless and boring. I remember how I started playing D2 - it was my first RPG ever and I sucked at it. I quickly found out there were trainers (I was playing single player). It was innocent at first: oh, this skill sucks, let me just allocate these skill points from here to there. Then I said to myself, "this is stupid, I've played for so long now and nothing good has ever dropped. I DESERVE this and this item. It should have dropped by now!". So I gave my character a few uniques. I eventually completed the game on Hell and the whole thing felt so futile, so pointless... Even if something good dropped, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't even know that "OH FUCK OH FUCK YESYESYESES" feeling when you see something really good you've wanted for a long time.

TLDR: You should feel sorry for RMTers, not hate them. They are sad human beings who pay money for a very short-lived ego boost and completely ruin any potential for fun or enjoyment in the game.

Maybe what you're describing doesn't reveal the folly of cheating, but the futility of video games. They say that victory is meaningless if there is no risk of defeat. But I say challenge is meaningless if there is no prize. What is the prize of a video game?

Satisfaction.

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Veta321 a écrit :

Maybe what you're describing doesn't reveal the folly of cheating, but the futility of video games. They say that victory is meaningless if there is no risk of defeat. But I say challenge is meaningless if there is no prize. What is the prize of a video game?

The journey itself.

edit: the guy above me gets it

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Veta321 a écrit :

What is the prize of a video game?

The experience, the "fun". But what triggers this sensation is different for everyone, so this is highly subjective. For me, RMTing would kill the game. I could afford whatever I wanted from a RMT site, and it would certainly be more economical for me to buy items and instead of sinking 100s of hours into the game (without half the material results that a few hundred bucks could buy), but for me the fun is in the treasure hunt, futile as it may be. But I can see why to others buying items may not only not destroy the experience, but actually enhance it.

The destination is not relevant (every video game we play, we quit eventually), so what matters is the experience, the journey. A longer journey doesn't necessarily make it a better journey.

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Stewart_GGG a écrit :

We will ban players real money trading

Probably the funniest quote on the entire forum. Pure gold. 10/10.

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Mivo a écrit :

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Veta321 a écrit :

What is the prize of a video game?

The experience, the "fun". But what triggers this sensation is different for everyone, so this is highly subjective. For me, RMTing would kill the game. I could afford whatever I wanted from a RMT site, and it would certainly be more economical for me to buy items and instead of sinking 100s of hours into the game (without half the material results that a few hundred bucks could buy), but for me the fun is in the treasure hunt, futile as it may be. But I can see why to others buying items may not only not destroy the experience, but actually enhance it.

The destination is not relevant (every video game we play, we quit eventually), so what matters is the experience, the journey. A longer journey doesn't necessarily make it a better journey.

I don't see how RMT-ing could enhance anything. It could inflate someone's ego but even that would be artificial and based mostly on self-deception.

edit: years ago I knew a rich kid who RMT-ed in another game. One of the saddest persons I've seen. Inferiority complex and fake persona can't even begin to describe it.

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

I'm sorry, mivo. I enjoy it all way too much. I quietly love it that you're trying to figure me out based on a forum persona.

And here, I don't even get paid for it! ;) Yes, you love attention, I did figure that out long before we even had any kind of direct exchange! But seriously, if I have learned one thing in way too may years of being online and working with people online, it is that very few manage to maintain an online persona that is fundamentally different from who they really are. In the short run, yes, it's easy. Over the course of years? I've never seen it. Now, perception is a different beast, as are the pitfalls of textual communication, and these two animals are the reason why I don't presume to actually know you. But you have money, so I'd not mind to change that! :D

Anyway, for what it's worth, I only find your (what comes across as) flaunting hard to suffer at times. It's the behavior, not the person, though. I do find your bluntness and somewhat unpredictable maneuvers refreshing, though, and I enjoy reading your posts overall.

(Now, back to the RMT topic, we are making it easier for GGG if we derail the thread.)

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

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RagnarokChu a écrit :

injection based hacks to maphack

I think you have your terminology confused.

What is confusing? The current PoE map hacks uses extremely easy to detect injected modules like a DLL injector or injects a thread.

On topic the only way to fix "Path of exile" if that if they sold it and put some ballar DRM on it so you can pirate it and forced you to log in at least once a day + a code like steam so you can mod it all to your heart contents.

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Bars a écrit :

I don't see how RMT-ing could enhance anything. It could inflate someone's ego but even that would be artificial and based mostly on self-deception.

It's because you play for different reasons. It's ALL artificial. Farming a hundred hours for a Bringer of Rain is fun for me, but by more objective standards it can equally be seen as an incredible waste of time (especially if I didn't enjoy it). What does finding it do for me? It makes me go "YAY!", but that is purely ego-driven and artificial, too. Is it fundamentally different from some kid mowing the grass for an extra two neighbours so that he can afford to RMT a Bringer of Rain? It's just as earned, just in a different way.

Someone else may find farming un-fun and they just want to get to level 100, get a top-50 ladder spot without having to "work" the game (trading can turn into a full time job), or rock in PvP. Some people may simply not have the time to play dozens of hours a week, but may still want to experience the end game. Others may want to see the end game, but not spend a year playing the same game, because their backlog is huge, etc.

Me? I'm happy I found a game I can play for years, and RMTing would be like shooting myself in the foot, but I feel that makes me a minority rather than a member of the majority.

I reported 4 people for modding currency colors, 2 of them posted vids of themselves using it here in the forums. None of them banned. It pisses me off to no end. I have had a hard time seeing currency since I started, and changing them would be amazing, one of them had orbs in neon green!

Support told me not to do it and report them, so I did, nothing happened, they still use it, and I'm still fucking colorblind and following the rules...