does GGG even ban RMTers

yea they do i got 2 of my other accounts banned

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DirkAustin a écrit :

So, youre saying GGGs way of balancing the game makes people RMT?

Makes? Not necessarily. It depends on how competitively you want to play.

Encourages and rewards RMTing? Yes, that's what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that they deliberately do this, though sometimes I wonder if it's carelessness or lack of foresight. I just see so many things in this game that make PoE such a heaven for RMT sites, and that makes me question whether GGG's decision makers really and genuinely have a problem with RMT sites and people RMTing.

Partly, I wonder if they don't think it's kind of "cool" that their game supports other companies, because in a roundabout way this benefits the game (ties people more closely to it, adds a form of "value" if people are willing to pay larger sums for gear from other "players", etc.) RMTing doesn't actually hurt GGG financially. If it did, I feel they would handle various design aspects differently.

The topic was do they "Ban RMTers"

Then we have oh but they do, but they must support RMT or don't ban supporters because they literally don't ban everyone in existence that may or may not ever RMT trade.

Now we have people saying that RMT exists because the game design favors it.


Dafaq? D2 the "prefect balance" of finding shit/people duping 24/7 and hacking was literally one of the biggest fucking RMT games ever with an entire WEBSITE spawned around it.

In WoW, they literally hand you everything you ever need and all of the gear you ever want by just playing the content once/a few times with almost everything good literally bind on account. Still massive gold farming/RMT in there that spawned the term "gold farmer."

Unless they make a game nobody cares about that is completely 100% noncompetitive in anyway way possible, people will RMT. It's too easy to fuck up banning someone Innocent unless you guys aren't going to all over them if they make a mistake.

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

Tinfoilhattime...

Possibly. But you see, there is a qualitative difference between tolerating something and supporting it. I'm not actually speculating that GGG's decision makers deliberately support RMTing. I am speculating that they may think it's a pretty cool thing that has some benefits, and that they don't mind it all that strongly. Fine line there.

What I'm sure of is that neither Chris nor the other decision makers at GGG are ignorant of the effects of their design decisions (this includes the new wave of legacy items). They are not idiots.

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

Yep, Ragnarok.

Because people are arseholes.

Why don't we commit more crimes in real life? Because the punishment sucks.

So far, the biggest punishment for actually getting caught rmting is having to change accounts.

So, gauntlet is down, GGG. Why shouldn't I rmt? I have two accounts (at least) and I am perfectly happy starting over from time to time.

BTW, "because it's wrong" isn't good enough.

To be honest I'm surprised GGG isn't more draconian in punishing RMT, they want to urk everyone with their client that supposedly makes it harder to hack but I know people are running bots and doing extremely easily detected injection based hacks to maphack the game in races/piety/dom runs.

Using RMT is the stupidest thing one could do. It's like playing a game with cheats: it kills any sense of satisfaction or enjoyment. Everything becomes pointless and boring. I remember how I started playing D2 - it was my first RPG ever and I sucked at it. I quickly found out there were trainers (I was playing single player). It was innocent at first: oh, this skill sucks, let me just allocate these skill points from here to there. Then I said to myself, "this is stupid, I've played for so long now and nothing good has ever dropped. I DESERVE this and this item. It should have dropped by now!". So I gave my character a few uniques. I eventually completed the game on Hell and the whole thing felt so futile, so pointless... Even if something good dropped, I didn't appreciate it. I didn't even know that "OH FUCK OH FUCK YESYESYESES" feeling when you see something really good you've wanted for a long time.

TLDR: You should feel sorry for RMTers, not hate them. They are sad human beings who pay money for a very short-lived ego boost and completely ruin any potential for fun or enjoyment in the game.

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

I happen to know.

The only people who know are those who make these decisions, and that is not you. You, too, speculate.

You think you do, obviously. Money may sometimes buy pretended respect or alleged friendship, but it rarely buys you someone's honest thoughts. And frankly, without an intent to offend you, in light of your rather volatile behavior on the forum when it comes to how you feel about the game and GGGG (going from white-knighting to attacking them), it would be shortsighted to really allow you genuine insights in their thought processes. I would feel it is too risky.

If you were my customer, and $15k would make you an important, valued/valuable one, even if I might find your showoff-ish manner insufferable, I would nevertheless treat you like a good friend and make you feel like you're on the insight of things. You'd never know how I felt about you, and you'd never really be on the "inner inside".

(I don't really know how to put this more politely, because it still sounds strong -- however, it's only meant to be blunt, not offensive or insulting.)

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RagnarokChu a écrit :

injection based hacks to maphack

I think you have your terminology confused.

Charan: I'm sharing my thoughts, that is all. I don't know you, I don't know Chris, so of course it's all speculation. You claimed to "know", and I challenged that statement and reasoned why. I do find it a little tedious that in every second thread you're involved in you seem to bring up how much money you supported the game with and how that "means" something (or makes you privileged etc). You use that in a debate, and that is what triggered my response.

I may well do you (and indirectly Chris) injustice, but that isn't the intent. I appreciate that people like you have supported the game as much as they have, because you made the game more possible than folks like myself have. Just don't use it so much in debates when it's not related. It breeds resentment.

Anyway, about the RMT thing: What do you think (or "know") is GGG's real stance? If they are strongly opposed to it, why do they keep encouraging it (e.g. new legacy items)? I don't believe that it's ignorance, which leads me to the speculation that from their perspective it's not really a big deal, and they are somewhat tolerant of it (but can't actually state that for obvious reasons). I just see a clash between actions and words here.