does GGG even ban RMTers

That's a good point grant_m. I guess I don't see a way to solve RMT. If big companies like Blizzard can't or won't (because of cost) how could GGG? I think the best thing they did was restrict trading to a certain level, 25 I think, I honestly don't remember. If there is a game, people will bot.

I mean people play on high rate RO servers and still Bot when there is like a 10% chance they will get every drop on a monsters loot table. I think threads like this a useless. I would much rather have GGG dedicate their people to fixing desync than lift 1 finger to stop 1 RMTer

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christophenuss a écrit :

If I were to point out that RMTers and their bots help lower prices by lowering scarcity and thereby help everyone get what they want a little easier. I assume I will just get flamed?

Failed logic.

Ex If say scarcity of exalts decreases, then a seller requests more of them from someone who show interestin his/her item, this only affects hardworking individual whose only income is by slaining monsters and getting orbs as world drops throughout long hours of playtime.

On the other hand RMTer can buy hours of hardwork by buying orbs for x amount of dollars, which would force non-RMTer player to also invest in RMT to make it a competition.

RMT fucks up economy for people who want to play fair, there is no benefit, defending it is stupid if you ask me.

I just don't see the benefit to having all these threads complaining about RMT. I am afraid that they may distract GGG from doing work on something that they could actually fix like desync. They can't stop RMT, its not worth the effort to try.

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christophenuss a écrit :

If I were to point out that RMTers and their bots help lower prices by lowering scarcity and thereby help everyone get what they want a little easier.

In a way, this is actually true. But you're missing the key question... lowering the prices of what? The RMT industry isn't going to focus on everything their bots farm equally; they're going to focus on particular item types. In this case, they lower the value of currency by lowering the scarcity of currency, and thus, in the conventional sense of "pricing," actually serve to make prices for gear artificially higher than they otherwise would be.

Why? Harder for bots to stack good rares, or even uniques, in their inventories, as they runs for days at a time. Simple as that.

If GGG wanted to stop RMT they would simply pose as buyers and ban any accounts that offered trades with them. They could track who supplied the account with the items and with a little detective work shut down any chance at all for a RMT site to operate profitably. The reason they don't isn't nefarious. It simply costs them more money to do it than they would make in added support. It would be a bad business choice.

What they need is help from volunteers. Report RMT sites to support. Report players that you know RMT to support and let them deal with it. Send in donations, so they can maintain that support and let them know that you donate so that they can continue to support us.

I would gladly donate money to GGG if it meant GGG banned and publicly shamed high level rmters.

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Antnee a écrit :

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Antnee a écrit :

I am not trying to comment on SFL here, I am just eliminating the trading aspect for the sake of exposing the actual issue at hand. You can not, will not ever escape RMT, no matter what. As with all things people struggle with in this game, you have to learn to balance your own expectations and goals against what the reality of the situation is, not what you want it to be.

Anu already described the reality many times.

You are forced to trade if you want to enter end-game even if you don't want to trade.
You are even more so forced to trade if you want to do high end crafting.
High end orb usage are in pyramidal lord-peasant scheme (thanks bots here BTW!).

I disagree with the first point. All of the gear on my level 90 Domination witch (who soloed every map boss at one point) was self found, with the exception of the Dream Fragments I switch out for Merveil. I'll concede that I played a friggin ton compared to some people, but still, trading is not the only means to the endgame.

Your second point, I will tentatively agree with.

Third is a home run.

I'm not sure what gear has to do with it, currency for rolling maps is the gate, not and never was gear.

You are right, trading is not the only means.
The other is low lvl orb farming at a ratio of around 50:1.

When people mention the trade gates, we know content is accessible in the loosest of terms. It's that those terms are so ridiculous. When I'm geared to kill an insane modded twin Shrine without worrying one bit about survival, or that x3 in Courtyard, farming Lunaris Pietits for 50 hours to maybe, just maybe get there, briefly, is not acceptable.

To make matters worse, that gear, the gear that trivialises Shrine Pietits, can and will eventually drop from Lunaris Pietits, and can do so before you've even seen Shrine.

We know it's possible, I've done all content myself, self found solo.
I've even had a few mad streaks where for example I've had 5 alchs and 1 70 map and gone 72-74-76-78. I've had it happen like that and been sat on several of every map tier afterwards, including a few 78s.

But that doesn't happen often and even when it does I have the choice to YOLO it away and be back in Lunaris, or go back to Lunaris any way, to farm orbs to attempt to keep the high maps sustaining themselves at a ridiculous ratio of facerol:'challenge'.

When people say 'oh BS, I solo self found progressed to every boss', it is no revelation. We know that luck streaks and low lvl orb farming for insane time can do this. That doesn't change anything.

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christophenuss a écrit :

I just don't see the benefit to having all these threads complaining about RMT. I am afraid that they may distract GGG from making more microtransactions and bandaid solutions for problems they refuse to address. They can't stop RMT, its not worth the effort to try.