does GGG even ban RMTers

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Xantaria a écrit :

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Do they approach you with money offers?

They approach me with offers of their RMT'd currency, bro. They compete with me in PvP. They compete with me in mapping, EVERYWHERE.
Another one of those that doesn't understand that RMT is the hugest possible problem in a COMPETETIVE game.

RMT couldn't possibly be a problem in a COMPETITIVE game.

Unless you define competition as time investment.

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DirkAustin a écrit :

What exactly are you trying to tell us.

@Bars: Of Course I do define Competition as time investment. This is what this game is about, isn't it? And I am / was one of the big PvPers. So that's competition for me too. And just because PvP in this game may not be made for competing, it is existing and thus I can and want to compete in it. ... Well I could ... without RMT ...

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Bars a écrit :

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Xantaria a écrit :

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Do they approach you with money offers?

They approach me with offers of their RMT'd currency, bro. They compete with me in PvP. They compete with me in mapping, EVERYWHERE.
Another one of those that doesn't understand that RMT is the hugest possible problem in a COMPETETIVE game.

RMT couldn't possibly be a problem in a COMPETITIVE game.

Unless you define competition as time investment.

Ladder competition is a competition in time investment in the end. The funny thing: If theoretically RMT was combated completely into non-existence, people would cry about the unfair system of time investment being the key component of winning the ladder. However time investment being rewarded is chosen by design.

Real competition is only given in races or tournaments with a scheduled, set amount of participation time available. Seeing that, PoE leaves more environment for serious competition than other title of the same genre do. PvP tournaments are still pending. Once they are scheduled into the seasons, we can maybe talk PvP without silly gear checks.

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CharanJaydemyr a écrit :

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Xantaria a écrit :

Well ... we clearly have some witches around here and I would not say that it's wrong to hunt them.

Good thing it's not your call then. Put the pitchfork down.

Pitchfork?

Nay, it's a set of large scales, a parsnip and a duck!!

That was my whole point. I simply can't understand how people find any sense of fulfillment or excitement competing in game where the core mechanics make competition based entirely on investment of resources, be it time or money.

Seriously, try a real PvP game.

I wrote a wall of text a bit earlier which is relevant to the discussion but I'm not setting my hopes high as to whether people will actually read it.

@Bars:

I read your posts.

Again:

- This game allows me to compete with others in PvP.
- I want to compete with otheres in PvP (and a bit on the ladder) in this game.
- And I don't see why I should search a different game if the problem here is not the game, but RMT, which can be changed with some things I mentioned earlier (around page 20).

Call the competition 'time investment'. Whatever you call it I am / was / want to be good at it ---> I want to compete.

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Xantaria a écrit :

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Do they approach you with money offers?

They approach me with offers of their RMT'd currency, bro. They compete with me in PvP. They compete with me in mapping, EVERYWHERE.
Another one of those that doesn't understand that RMT is the hugest possible problem in a COMPETETIVE game.

So they approach you with currency. How do you know it is RMT'd? They compete with you in PvP, how do you know they got their Gear through RMT? Likewise for mapping?

It's not that I don't understand that RMT is a problem, I just don't care about it.

And I am only asking these questions to get information. I don't know where you see judgement on my part.

What I am questioning is, that if you play End-Game normally, you are not confronted with RMT. You have to dig into the background of players to find it.

Because I have this thought, I am asking you to provide me with information how simply playing End-Game confronts you with RMT without extra effort on your part.

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Xantaria a écrit :

@Bars:

I read your posts.

Again:

- This game allows me to compete with others in PvP.
- I want to compete with otheres in PvP (and a bit on the ladder) in this game.
- And I don't see why I should search a different game if the problem here is not the game, but RMT, which can be changed with some things I mentioned earlier (around page 20).

Call the competition 'time investment'. Whatever you call it I am / was / want to be good at it ---> I want to compete.

Fair enough. Nothing wrong about that. I don't understand you, but I respect your opinion and I sympathise because the current situation seems to be completely flawed by RMT. I guess you'll have to wait and hope for the best. Although I hate to say it, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Hate to sound like a broken record, but botting is almost all of the problem; RMT is a tiny fraction.

Lets say we live in a world where Chris and Company implemented a SFL. Everything is account bound, drop trading doesn't work, a perfect utopia of complete social isolation. RMT doesn't exist, right?

But, oh shit, it does. People still use bots, and grind a ridiculous amount of currency... enough to craft truly perfect gear themselves. RMT will still exist in the form of selling accounts with all this nutty stuff. (see Craigslist, and all the WoW accounts for sale there) On the surface, the problem appears to be greatly diminished. Upon closer examination, the problem is only exacerbated. In the tiny, solo player league, the botter levels faster, gains more gear, and cannot possibly be competed with.

I am not trying to comment on SFL here, I am just eliminating the trading aspect for the sake of exposing the actual issue at hand. You can not, will not ever escape RMT, no matter what. As with all things people struggle with in this game, you have to learn to balance your own expectations and goals against what the reality of the situation is, not what you want it to be.