CALL FOR A COMMUNITY VOTE ON THE 0.9.11 SKILL TREE!!!

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Charan a écrit :

...I am surprised GGG didn't go mana regen for one node, melee damage for the other.

Maybe check the tree again. That's exactly what the templar starts with :P

SEE, this is what happens when I get caught up in other people's posts.

Glad I don't have to be surprised then.

...This whole situation has really driven home with me how gleefully ignorant I used to be. Can you imagine all the changes that, say, Diablo 1 or 2 went through in its alpha and beta phases that we know nothing about? All most of us cared about was the end product, because for us it was the only thing.

I try to maintain that attitude with PoE's evolution too. Naturally we're all here to give feedback and help GGG make the game as good as it can be, but ultimately it's like any other work in progress: the end product might not be EXACTLY what the creator wanted. Usually it's not, to be honest.

'As good as it can be' is the key. Not 'exactly as we want it' and certainly not 'exactly as *I* want it.'

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WhiteBoy88 a écrit :

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Charan a écrit :

...I am surprised GGG didn't go mana regen for one node, melee damage for the other.

Maybe check the tree again. That's exactly what the templar starts with :P

Seems totally reasonable actually, I had the idea one would have to take more than 1 node and it might be completely unrelated to the desired build. Just looked again at the tree and it looks fine in this regard.

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WhiteBoy88 a écrit :

wall of text

Im just going to agree to disagree with you.(because I dont want to upset you and let you escalate this into something stupid)

As its obvious we have two counter conflicting veiw points.

And I have no interest in this topic anymore due to your belligerence.

But I would like to say "Seems like you've already made your conclusion." is very wrong.

I wanted a poll to choose for us(And let the community speak)(Knowing it doesnt even need to be considered, its just a suggestion)..... I am happy either way. But its bloody obvious your not...

You are the only one of us set in stone.

And I find the manner you assume my intentions in reading my post's rather nasty.

Goodday to you sir.

PS. I made a mistake in the other post when I ment the current skill tree rather than the up-comming one, sorry for that.(Not that it will help with you)

Sorry, Tachi, but at the very start of this, you stated:

I CALL FOR A RELEASE OF INFORMATION AND THEN A FOLLOWING POLL OF THIS NEW SKILL TREE THATS BEING PLANNED!!!!!!!! LET THE COMMUNITY SPEAK BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!

"Before it's too late", combined with the caps, very much tells me that "you've already made your conclusion."

This started quite belligerently and just got worse.

Over what?

A build of the Skilldrasil that might not even be the final one.

The one we know now wasn't always there either. I've seen older versions and I think that the Skilldrasil continues to improve.

Even if .9.11's version is a mistake, there's time to change it.

But after feedback is given, not before.

You more than most are aware that the alpha testers have had time to digest the new layout and to give feedback, and it passed with them/us. I did find the overall indignation at the new Skilldrasil a little insulting; it implied that the alpha testers had failed to notice something truly heinous and horrendous.

...Maybe. If so, that's what the beta testing phase is for...

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Charan a écrit :

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Sorry, Tachi, but at the very start of this, you stated:

I CALL FOR A RELEASE OF INFORMATION AND THEN A FOLLOWING POLL OF THIS NEW SKILL TREE THATS BEING PLANNED!!!!!!!! LET THE COMMUNITY SPEAK BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!

"Before it's too late", combined with the caps, very much tells me that "you've already made your conclusion."

This started quite belligerently and just got worse.

Over what?

A build of the Skilldrasil that might not even be the final one.

The one we know now wasn't always there either. I've seen older versions and I think that the Skilldrasil continues to improve.

Even if .9.11's version is a mistake, there's time to change it.

But after feedback is given, not before.

You more than most are aware that the alpha testers have had time to digest the new layout and to give feedback, and it passed with them/us. I did find the overall indignation at the new Skilldrasil a little insulting; it implied that the alpha testers had failed to notice something truly heinous and horrendous.

...Maybe. If so, that's what the beta testing phase is for...

Yes the caps were a mistake looking back at it, so I completely agree with you. And as I said, it was an attention grab as I thought this might have been a good idea(no blaming me for that, it came from a good place) :)

I posted this on my first post not long after I made the thread... eg.

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tachi203 a écrit :

Caps are an attention grab, :) dont over speculate my enthusiasim to this cause(I just want to help) :) I just think it would be helpful for us to get a good look at the skill tree before its implementation and judge, without having to be subjected to it. :)

Community/Gamer's/Fans interests at heart :)

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Charan a écrit :

I did find the overall indignation at the new Skilldrasil a little insulting; it implied that the alpha testers had failed to notice something truly heinous and horrendous.

It could be interpreted that way. So sorry about that too :) .

But geez, once again its just a suggestion of something I/Others noticed. Is it really okay for you all to assume my goal is to insult all alpha testers.... You guys are reading into this way to much and taking this way to personaly yourselves..... We are all here to help!!.

And anyway, screw this topic I bow out(The irratation this is causeing is way to much for me to take alone).

Just not interested in argueing over a suggestion.

And yea, I said a few beligerant things myself, so screw this.

Sorry.

The tree has changed many times, and as often is the case, first iterations on major overhauls are significant.

Each tree 'style' is a unique learning experience and requires DETAILED analysis and explanation of particular builds that work too well, or don't work at all.

There is no possible way to know any of this before it's significantly tested over the course of weeks by thousands of people.

Each time the tree has a major overhaul, new information about what the tree structure provides and what they intended is gleaned. Even if this structure is wrong, they require this time to find out why and how to incorporate their intended goal into a previously successful version.

In either case, GGG saw a problem and must incorporate a fix... whether this is a good fix or a bad fix, is yet to be known. Major overhauls are the 'real' beta test... little minor tweaks are just polish.

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zeto a écrit :

The tree has changed many times, and as often is the case, first iterations on major overhauls are significant.

Each tree 'style' is a unique learning experience and requires DETAILED analysis and explanation of particular builds that work too well, or don't work at all.

There is no possible way to know any of this before it's significantly tested over the course of weeks by thousands of people.

Each time the tree has a major overhaul, new information about what the tree structure provides and what they intended is gleaned. Even if this structure is wrong, they require this time to find out why and how to incorporate their intended goal into a previously successful version.

In either case, GGG saw a problem and must incorporate a fix... whether this is a good fix or a bad fix, is yet to be known. Major overhauls are the 'real' beta test... little minor tweaks are just polish.

Agreed =D

I won't judge the overall layout now, but I pray to the GGGods that Blood Magic will return to the middle of the tree. EVERY class should have decent access to that one, it's a basic gameplay change that is fun with pretty much every single class.

Im something missing or i cant find full readable new tree?

I wanna see precisely and then i can tell sth about new Skill Tree.