The new Berserker degen is the worst joke ever

"

tsftd a écrit :

1) Don't run a no regen map with Berserker degen
2) Enduring Cry doesn't work without enemies nearby
3) Rage degen is considered loss of life and thus Enduring Cry wouldn't help even if it did work without enemies nearby
4) If it's an issue, just use character select screen instead of portaling out

"

The_Human_Tornado a écrit :

1) That wasnt the first no regen map I was running with it. It worked fine for those that didnt stuck in the load screen for seconds and then ended in a "failed to join any instance" error.

And wow, "Dont run a map mod if you play this ascendary class or its your fault if you die", without any regards of the build or any details. Thats really something I have never seen before eventhough you are sadly right probably.

2) Enduring Cry does replenish 25% of your max hp if you have warbringer, even without any enemies nearby, and I had warbringer at this moment.
3) The enduring cry is 25% of max HP instant heal with Warbringer Ascendancy. It would be a perfect way of dealing with the Berseker degen if it would work at loading screen too, LOL. Go try it out yourself if you dont believe me.
4) Why would logging out work better than leaving via a portal? What if I want to go back because there are some interesting items that dont fit into my invetory? How can I know that exactly at this moment the servers go apeshit and my character is stuck for at least ... well thats some quick maths.

4 seconds 10% life loss = 40% life loss, after that 2 Rage less aka 0.4% max hp degen less per second.

4.0 seconds 60.0% max hp 10.0% degen each second for 4 second cause recently warcry
5.0 seconds 50.4% max hp 9.6%
6.0 seconds 41.2% max hp 9.2%
7.0 seconds 32.4% max hp 8.8%
8.0 seconds 24.0% max hp 8.4%
9.0 seconds 16.0% max hp 8.0%
10.0 seconds 8.4% max hp 7.6%
11.0 seconds 1.2% max hp 7.2%
12.0 seconds dead

That means I was AT LEAST 12 seconds in the map before the character left the map. I remember some video from Hegemony where he found that even if you pull the cord of your router you just stay in the map for like 5-6 seconds.


Why would entering a portal be SO MUCH worse than pulling out the cord of a router?

Its pure insanity lol.

"

Xavathos a écrit :

12+ second loading screens are more the problem than the berserker class, I think.

If you say you know the class mechanic, you know the map mods, you know the risk involved and still go through with it IN HARDCORE, it's your own fault.

"

Xavathos a écrit :

12+ second loading screens are more the problem than the berserker class, I think.
If you say you know the class mechanic, you know the map mods, you know the risk involved and still go through with it IN HARDCORE, it's your own fault.

"

tsftd a écrit :

"

The_Human_Tornado a écrit :

1) That wasnt the first no regen map I was running with it. It worked fine for those that didnt stuck in the load screen for seconds and then ended in a "failed to join any instance" error.

And wow, "Dont run a map mod if you play this ascendary class or its your fault if you die", without any regards of the build or any details. Thats really something I have never seen before eventhough you are sadly right probably.

2) Enduring Cry does replenish 25% of your max hp if you have warbringer, even without any enemies nearby, and I had warbringer at this moment.
3) The enduring cry is 25% of max HP instant heal with Warbringer Ascendancy. It would be a perfect way of dealing with the Berseker degen if it would work at loading screen too, LOL. Go try it out yourself if you dont believe me.
4) Why would logging out work better than leaving via a portal? What if I want to go back because there are some interesting items that dont fit into my invetory? How can I know that exactly at this moment the servers go apeshit and my character is stuck for at least ... well thats some quick maths.

4 seconds 10% life loss = 40% life loss, after that 2 Rage less aka 0.4% max hp degen less per second.

4.0 seconds 60.0% max hp 10.0% degen each second for 4 second cause recently warcry
5.0 seconds 50.4% max hp 9.6%
6.0 seconds 41.2% max hp 9.2%
7.0 seconds 32.4% max hp 8.8%
8.0 seconds 24.0% max hp 8.4%
9.0 seconds 16.0% max hp 8.0%
10.0 seconds 8.4% max hp 7.6%
11.0 seconds 1.2% max hp 7.2%
12.0 seconds dead

That means I was AT LEAST 12 seconds in the map before the character left the map. I remember some video from Hegemony where he found that even if you pull the cord of your router you just stay in the map for like 5-6 seconds.


Why would entering a portal be SO MUCH worse than pulling out the cord of a router?

Its pure insanity lol.

1) It's the same with reflect. You're fine with it, until you're not. It's not that you can't run no regen, just that if you do, you're risking death if things don't go well. Granted, I can't think of any other ascendancy class node that pretty much closes off a map mod, but it's not like it's uncommon for certain builds to have to avoid certain mods.

2/3) If that's the case, then my bad -- I had assumed that it worked like the mana gained on damage taken jewel with Abyssal Cry, where it doesn't apply unless you hit an enemy with it. Still, you can't use any flasks/skills while on a loading screen, so all it would have done is make sure you were at 100% when you started loading.

4) The difference is that relogging/loadscreening/alt+f4ing *instantly* disconnects you from the server the instant the server gets the command, while portal/area loadscreen does not. I would say just always do it when youre in a no-regen map. Would it be nice to not have to worry about taking damage during loadscreens? Sure. But I have to assume that GGG has a reason that they haven't implemented that in all these years (probably some sort of issue with abuse of the mechanic).

And you can still go back into the map even if you leave via relog/loadscreen/alt+f4, it just burns a portal same as using a portal would. It just adds the additional hassle of selecting the character.

As for why the loadscreen would be longer than physical disconn, the physical disconn depends on the value that GGG sets as a timeout. The loadscreen would be loading time + timeout. So if the timeout is 6 seconds and your loadscreen would be 6 seconds, it could be 12 seconds. In theory, you could probably alt+f4 during the loadscreen and stay alive, I think (depends on exactly how the code works though).

-----
All that being said, I do agree that removing all rage at 1hp would be a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

"

Pyrokar a écrit :

Sometimes i like to give GGG the benefit of the doubt. I did it in this case as well and tried playin berserker. I thought the degen would be 5% as it was stated that the regen got reduced from what i thought was 10. Turns out it was 20.

There is no doubt anymore. They have no idea what they are doing.

BTW i found out back in 2013 about the 7 seconds disconnect timer if the server is getting no response, made a thread to reduce it a bit and ofc i got the usual whiteknights how bad it would be since people with 7000ms ping wouldn't be able to play the game cause of constant disconnects.