Best Cyclone Weapon Pros vs Cons: Atziri's Disfavor, Starforge, or Ngamahu's Flame?
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To reiterate what others have said. Curses and blasphemy are worthless where it actually counts. If you can afford a 6 link SF or disfavour then you don't really care about cursing down non boss mobs anyways and the radius of blasphemy post nerf is a joke.
That is, unless you are running nothing but shaped shores all day in which case curses are okay for crippling those t13 whites. GGG needs to give curses a big buff for them to be viable outside of trash tier content farming. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Dernière édition par Nephalim#2731, le 1 oct. 2017 à 10:29:50
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" It is hard to balance them, they used to have REDUCED curse eff, but it was changed to LESS, so curses are less viable against them, guess which mechanism does not get used as much anymore by players. On the other hand there are very few people actually farming not trash tier content and if you have a build, that can facetank shaper beam, then chances are high they won't die to white mobs eiher. Dernière édition par krenderke#3861, le 1 oct. 2017 à 10:47:24
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personally i'd say the price to performance of ngamahu's cannot be beat. i haven't tried a starforge build, but im telling you right now ngamahu's single target is going to be way better by a mile.
i personally run a utility cyclone in the tempest binding. 6S ngamahu's is like 6L molten burst, and a 6L molten strike setup in my armor, and a 4L vaal cyclone when farming maps. farming as much double beyond maps with sextants and vaal cyclone is a huge currency maker and super fun. just don't vaal cyclone up some bearer mobs!! but ya single target molten strike is king right now. its like barrage for melee. my current build is running about 2m+ DPS non crit against shaper with molten strike/molten burst. starforge might be great, but you can't use molten strike so your single target is going to be suffering quite a bit in comparison. as well as its price tag, you can fully outfit a ngamahu build with almost the best of the best for the price of just a 6L starforge. |
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"Is it possible to see your build? Found it thanks. interesting. Dernière édition par Kastmar#4974, le 1 oct. 2017 à 15:28:34
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I am doing a Brain Rattler Cycloner at the moment. It performs really well so far. It allows you to take a couple Elemental damage nodes to path efficently. The 20% lightning penetration of the weapon together with Wise Oak puts you to a total of 35% lightning penetration without further investment. Also WED on gear has high impact, opposed to only flat phys on your other options. If you can manage to balance all resists, Hatred and Herald of Ash damage will be buffed by Wise Oak aswell. Elemental reflect has not been an issue so far if not for single tanky monsters in minus max maps (for example in a breach with "allies cannot die" aura or essence mobs). Compared to Disfavour: -Disfavour Has +2 Weapon Range! That alone makes it the best weapon for Cyclone in my opinion -Physical Damage leech nodes do not apply with Brain Rattler. I personally don't feel any difference since 2,4% seems plenty but I do not know how the damage from The Retch Rustic Sash is calculated (leech capped or not) -With Disfavour, the 25% Bleed Chance allows you to link Bloodlust Support in your Warchief-Setup and even try to scale actual damage of bleed (still not convinced of Crimson Dance though) Compared to Starforge: -Starforge got buffed a lot by Brutality Support and Maim Support. Could easily be the highest dps variant at the moment -Sword nodes on the left give at least +1 Weapon Range -90+ Life on the Weapon itself is kind of awesome -It's purple and probably the only good item for prophecy weapon effect next to Storm Cloud -Phys reflect might hurt Compared to Ngamahu's Flame: -Strong but severely lacks style points. Wouldn't touch it. |
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" Starforge also has 20% AOE. Anywqy, interesting choice for cyclone. I wisjed the game have different effects (looks) & gameplay effect with different elements (ala the whirlwind in D3), like lighthning attack can chain |
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Check Facebreaker! Without a weapon :D
But my fav. is Disfavor if you need a weapon.. you can build around that weapon in different ways. |
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I've played them all and my current personal favorite is disfavor setup. I know starforge has inc aoe but with the aoe scaling changes hitting everything so hard, you can only go so far with stacking aoe before it falls off hard. How do we get around that? + weapon range.
With disfavor having +2 range, stacking range on everything and "capping out" inc aoe it just feels SO MUCH better for clearing. Disfavor doesn't lock me out of using hatred to further scale off my high phys damage scaling as well as herald of ash which anyone will attest too is great to amazing for cyclone builds when clearing out and just "zipping" through the middle of a pack as everything dies on the very edges of your reach. With the 25% bleed coupled with the axe bleed nodes you get a high chance to bleed your target. ALOT of the nodes we take on the tree also scale damage high on targets affected by ailments which is further boosting the damage. Needing only 1 6l allows me to use kaoms heart and stack layered defense pretty high via slayer leech and almost 8k life in full bossing mode gear setup. I was a ngamu fan until 3.0. With the new supports for phys cyclone, in my opinion disfavor is just too good to pass up. The +2 supports is just the cherry on top. Dernière édition par coaa#0296, le 2 oct. 2017 à 09:57:37
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" Dont listen to others. For physical cyclone, Starforge is THE BEST, no doubt. It has higher DPS than Disfavour (hatred/HoA may sound nice, buy Brutality gem is just too good to pass by), AoE higher (sword nodes grant +1 radius, and 20% AoE is better than +1 radius) and it provides 100 life bonus extra. And it can shock even, if you build crit. As for bleed, with as high APS as Cyclone has, mere 50% chance to bleed are more than enough (sword nodes + Red Storm). Use it: Ngamahu isnt really a cyclone build, i'd say. It's rather molten balls build. P.S. If you care about phys reflect, just take Slayer class, and forget about reflect's existance. IGN: MortalKombat Molten Strike build guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1346504 There is no knowledge That is not power Dernière édition par MortalKombat3#6961, le 2 oct. 2017 à 10:16:01
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" It in fact, has quite a bit LESS radius then disfavor. There is a few different pure phys builds posted on the forums right now and the math (unless they are wrong) actually shows disfavor ahead of pure phys starforge while offering more range and splitting some of the damage via elemental so reflect doesn't hurt as much. It's not a massive difference, it basically boils down to what you have then build around it. You could argue the shocking aspect of starforge is what sets it above but trash mobs explode the second you even look at them anyway so that leaves bosses. Bosses melt almost immediately for both builds, but I could see starforge maybe being a second faster against red map bosses. When it comes to guardians, shaper, uber though the shock will barely do anything for you but the bleed damage stacking of atziri will be a lot better. Both have their ups and downs. I don't think there is any clearcut winner here. The extra range from atziri coupled with being able to use HoA make it better for clear speed imo. +weapon range is superior for cyclone in every way over increased aoe. You can easily check this by speccing into and out of a few inc aoe nodes on the tree, then just slapping on daresso's neck with +2 range and seeing that the +2 range will outrange taking every inc aoe node on the tree combined. Dernière édition par coaa#0296, le 2 oct. 2017 à 10:48:27
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