Why POE have so many one-shots, and how to reduce it?
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Why POE have so many one-shots?
Short answer: Over Powered Sustain. Long answer: To stop a char from advancing the monsters have to kill him, or at least almost kill him, so the player will not try a stronger map with stronger monsters. But to kill someone they have to deal damage faster than the char can recover HP if the char can heal to full in a less than a second the monsters have to kill him in even less time(one-shot), SO OP sustain during the battle is the cause of one-shots How to reduce it? Reduce sustain during the battle is the only way to reduce the one-shot problem, if the monster damage is nerfed without a reduction to sustain, players will only go to stronger maps with stronger monsters and will continue to be one-shoted Of course we still need sustain, but it have to be restricted during the battle, the faster ppl is allowed to sustain themselves the faster monsters are gonna kill them, and if they can't kill you (or at least make you feel you're in danger), you'll just go to a stronger map where they can The first step to reduce one-shots is to remove insta-leech maybe Vaal Pact can be replaced by something, but the ability to recover almost instantly during the battle have to go The second step is to reduce non telegraphed damage spikes, all battles should have risks but if the risk is not due attrition it will only be boring or frustrating (it will be too easy most of the time with eventual one-shots) With a reduction of one-shots the size of the damage buffer will be FAR less important and damage mitigation (armor and evasion) much more effective GGG will finally be able to work on the balance of all forms of defense, to make them equivalent in power and this will allow a much greater diversity of builds Dernier bump le 26 mai 2017 à 07:57:48
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Can you name the "one shots" you are talking about?
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Too strong/easy sustain is one of PoEs main problems.
No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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" Volatiles Bearers Reflects Izaro Basic Attack Izaro Slash Wave Izaro Slam Goddess Firestorm Goddess Ignite Touch of God Labyrinth Traps The majority of the Guardian abilites The majority of Shaper's skills Torture Chamber Lightning Totems Fidelitas Basic Attack Most of the Warbands bosses skills Vaal Lazer Vaal Slam Trio Skills Atziri Skills Strongbox poison Strongbox detonate dead Strongbox Ice Nova Mountain Ledge Totem Ice Nova Crypt Boss Slam Spider Boss Chaos EK Alira Detonate Dead (Lel) Shavronne Damage Reflection Shavronne Lightning Storm Most of Malachais Skills Most of Maligaros Skills Merveil Ice Storm Na'em Haast Bameth Tzeotsh Abaxoth Breaches Breachlords A Pack of Ribbons Rhoas (Lel) Devourer Tentacle Miscreation Pack Whipping Miscreation Unique Whipping Miscreation Pack Rare Undying Impaler Grandmasters Brutus Kole Fairgraves on Unique Map Gravicius Shadow of a Ranger Excavation Bosses Perandus Manor Bosses Death and Taxes Boss Gorge Map Boss Shrine Map boss Volcano Map boss Rigwald Just to name a few Need more brains, exile?
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Want the bad news? There are quite a few in that list that are not one shot, just rapid smaller hits that you try to derp through. Most of the big one hits are boss charge up attacks giving YOU the chance to move your arse out of the way. There is other stuff that isn't even worth mentioning. Ancestral Bond. It's a thing that does stuff. -Vipermagi
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" what the hell are you smoking Dernière édition par biyte#7917, le 22 mai 2017 à 12:36:39
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" Never played rare maps? Need more brains, exile?
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There are a number of one shots, especially in rare maps.
Though, to be honest, if something is a "One Shot" or just a near instant burst of damage (Too fast for anything to be reacted to) then it's effectively the same thing. Huge bursts of damage are necessary to make high sustain characters (Notably, VP) die. But for other characters, it often feels like "Fine, Fine, Fine, POW DEAD" out of nowhere. This isn't always from a telegraphed attack either, sometimes it's like in a Breach and you get shocked by a Rare that only just spawned and hasn't even become visible and then you're hit by a bunch of attacks at the same time and you die. Or maybe you just happened to kill a porcupine at the same time as a couple of big hits made it on to you. Maybe you got unlucky and a couple of enemies crit you. Etc. Like, you can run perfect defences, 75/75 block, 20k armour, a bunch of evades 80%/80%/80%/75% resists and unless you're full healing multiple times per second, you're going to just randomly die to some unlucky hits landing at the same time. It's one of the reasons I really like the Malachai fight. None of his stuff, sans the teleport, are really "One shot" levels. Nor does he spam out a ton of attacks that may or may not hit you (Like Izaro's mortars, which I've seen do like 5% and 100% of my life in the same fight, with the fight mechanic disabled). He kills you by pressuring you with high damage attacks that if you're hit by multiple by your own inability to move correctly will kill you. You never get this "Fine, Fine, Fine, SPLAT" moment. But I imagine he's a complete joke to VP builds given that... |
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From those named "normal effects" i consider maybe 4-5 to be valid, but still, very easily avoidable. Otherwise having more than 5K hp it just won't kill you.
You can ofc complaint about the game toughness over all, but there is a big amount of players for which the current difficulty level is a joke, not even playing or abusing the ES 15K+ pools with insta leech. Just to go over this list, put up those i consider kinda valid on top, but still majority are with 3-4s reaction time meaning you have to be very bad and distracted to consider those a critical issue.
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Volatiles - valid Vaal Slam - valid Izaro Slash Wave - valid if charged Izaro Slam - valid if charged The majority of the Guardian abilites - only Phoenix truly oneshots The majority of Shaper's skills - valid Atziri Skills - only double flame blast Bearers - not valid Reflects - not valid Izaro Basic Attack - not valid Goddess Firestorm - not valid Goddess Ignite - not valid Touch of God - not valid Labyrinth Traps - not valid Torture Chamber Lightning Totems - not valid Fidelitas Basic Attack - not valid Most of the Warbands bosses skills - not valid Vaal Lazer - not valid Trio Skills - not valid Strongbox poison - just no Strongbox detonate dead - just no Strongbox Ice Nova - not valid Mountain Ledge Totem Ice Nova - not valid Crypt Boss Slam - i think if cursed, intention Spider Boss Chaos EK - not valid Alira Detonate Dead (Lel) - not valid Shavronne Damage Reflection - not valid Shavronne Lightning Storm - not valid Most of Malachais Skills - not valid Most of Maligaros Skills - not valid Merveil Ice Storm - not valid Na'em - not valid Haast - not valid Bameth - not valid Tzeotsh - not valid Abaxoth - not valid Breaches - not valid Breachlords - not valid A Pack of Ribbons - not valid Rhoas (Lel) - not valid Devourer - not valid Tentacle Miscreation Pack - not valid Whipping Miscreation Unique - not valid Whipping Miscreation Pack - not valid Rare Undying Impaler - not valid Grandmasters - maybe one or two Brutus - not valid Kole - not valid Fairgraves on Unique Map - not valid Gravicius - not valid Shadow of a Ranger - not valid Excavation Bosses - not valid Perandus Manor Bosses - never done it Death and Taxes Boss - not valid Gorge Map Boss - not valid Shrine Map boss - not valid Volcano Map boss - not valid Rigwald - not valid Just to name a few edit: a bit to map mods, rolling map as hard as you can is your choice. Considering everything with quad dmg and double curse on the map as standard one shot mechanic is just pisspoor argument. Yes, i died to T12 Vault boss because he oneshot me. Reason? 5K life eva char, double ele dmg on the map and ele weakness , so when my res flask expired, considering uncapped res otherwise, i died to single hit. Did i had enough time to react? Yes, but i didn't since i ignored the danger. I represent only myself, my own thought and believes. I am individual, not a representative of the community. I am not speaking on behalf of someone else and I don't get offended by things that have nothing to do with me. 3.13 was the golden age. Dernière édition par Marxone#0650, le 22 mai 2017 à 13:26:14
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Depending on your level and and the level of the map you're running, prety much anything can kill you in a fraction of a second
POE's high sustain make the game feel much easyer than it really is, it's easy to go to a map far stronger than you should because you don't feel in danger most of the time To make you feel in danger without killing you POE's sustain have to be sevely nerfed |
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