Alkaiser's death - Rank 3 RIP

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :


Im willing to bet I would have survived that with every melee character I have except my kaoms marauder. I think an evasion dodge melee with 5.5k life has a better chance of surviving that than a 13k es ci.

the map only had 1 damage mod, I think that was a trivial map roll.




The overlapping damage is not something you dodge/evade mechanically. You can with the projectiles, but once they touch the floor, the AoE is what will get you.




Edit: There are still the risk of the stars aligning as an evasion dodge melee since you are pretty much in the middle of all the actions.
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Dernière édition par JohnNamikaze#6516, le 7 mars 2017 à 20:27:25
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finisterre a écrit :
He had everything except Arctic Armour which requires 10% reduced mana reservation at least to run Hatred, HoA and main skill on mana.


what do you mean by everything except arctic armour? you mean defensively? He doesnt have block, dodge, evasion, armour, hes not running any defense auras, his fortify isnt up, nothing is blinded, nothing is enfeebled... and he doesnt have arctic armour.

He got bursted down by hybrid attack damage which is exactly the same thing that killed him the last time I saw him die with a kaoms heart life stacking build, which is exactly the same thing I find sketchy as fk when I play kaoms heart life stacking builds. Theres situations where theyre strong, and situations where theyre weak.

You are talking what he didn't do. I'm talking what he did. How about show us what he could reasonably have. imo that is arctic armour.

Edit:I don't know if Lv.3+ Enlighten with one of 2% reduced reservation jewel or 3 points for passive could be reasonable in his build though.
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Dernière édition par finisterre#5659, le 7 mars 2017 à 20:19:14
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Snorkle_uk a écrit :
the difference is a 1 shot that gets through block, dodge, evasion etc is lethal, a phys 1 shot crushes armour. Understanding that virtually nothing actually 1 shots you is important because this was not a 1 shot, most things are not 1 shots, and burst damage like this CAN be vastly reduced through avoidance and damage reductions.

You doubt anyone could do anything but die? Clearly a life based build with strong defenses would have survived that. This is not path of one shots, that was a fair death to burst damage that any number of life based builds with a lot less hp would have survived. His block based Surrender crit sword build from last league would probably have survived that situation. Hes not playing a bad build, he knows the game, hes an expert player, he just came across a situation that this particular build was inadequately equipped to defend against. 8500 life does not automatically = a well defended character that is capable of taking on everything. Theres situations where a hybrid armour + evasion + block or a coil + evasion + dodge character is going to reduce incoming damage by 80-90%, do the math on how much pure life or es youre going to need to survive something that kills those builds in those situations.

Stacking life defends against elemental 1 shots, true 1 shots. This was not a 1 shot, this is an example of burst attack damage that pure life and pure es characters are woefully weak against. People write off defenses that save characters in these situations because they wrongfully claim the game is full of 1 shots that these defenses wont save you from. Its a very important distinction to make.


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finisterre a écrit :
He had everything except Arctic Armour which requires 10% reduced mana reservation at least to run Hatred, HoA and main skill on mana.


what do you mean by everything except arctic armour? you mean defensively? He doesnt have block, dodge, evasion, armour, hes not running any defense auras, his fortify isnt up, nothing is blinded, nothing is enfeebled... and he doesnt have arctic armour.

He got bursted down by hybrid attack damage which is exactly the same thing that killed him the last time I saw him die with a kaoms heart life stacking build, which is exactly the same thing I find sketchy as fk when I play kaoms heart life stacking builds. Theres situations where theyre strong, and situations where theyre weak.


Ok, let me be excruciatingly clear.

I said a one shot is a situation where you can't do anything but die. I am NOT saying the death is unavoidable. Actually, in retrospect I see how that's easily misinterpretable. I'm saying the only way that you can survive is by not being in that situation, at that time, with that set of defenses; i.e. that your reflexes, flasks, movement skills etc will not save you. Only by not being there, or by having a different build, could you survive.

So, my statement could more accurately be; the difficulty in finding a way to reliably ensure that one does not meet a situation where death is inevitable is unreasonably large. Further, there are too many ways that are not always predictable by a normal, mundane human not possessing psychic powers that you can run into unavoidable death. Now, you can say, it's avoidable because you could have not been there, in those circumstances, and I agree. That's why I say it's unreasonably hard to consistently avoid death when the spectrum of difficulty is so wide, and so wildly inconsistent. Again, difficult, not impossible. For example if he had stacked enough eva/dodge/block etc to avoid enough of the molten burst to survive, then you'd probably have too small of a health pool for surviving the eventual single powerful hit from a volatile or something. That's why I call it Path of One shots - your path, inevitably, leads to a oneshot.
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pneuma a écrit :
"What?" indeed.

... so seriously, what the fuck happened? It looked like a shitton of degen? Beyond mob with unrighteous fire? Chaos degen? Did he get bled by something?


If you looks really close and pause and unpause the video you will see the Beyond boss (Maybe rare but i would assume boss not sure which though) does a Molten Strike right at him and as the projectiles splash near him he gets one shot. Only thing i can assume was he was doing a -Max with some damage mods OR most likly -Max with Crit Mod. The Crit mod is beyond deadly these days. Hell on my HOWA build last league i could get hit for 3-4K from WHITE mobs in T15 maps. Ofcourse this wasn't a T15 but still Crit with any damage mods and -Max AND on a Life build is going to make alot of shit deadly that otherwise would not be.
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To the people who said this is a wtf one shot its not. Its very easy to explain mechanically. AOE overlap of Molten Strike from beyond Boss hits right when his fortify run out killed the guy in multiple hits, not in 1 shot.

I don't know his build, but with that high HP its definitely lacking in mitigation. Just 4 end charge, Basalt and Taste would be enough in most situation, but not when you get aoe overlapped by unique mobs.

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Dernière édition par habeo#2348, le 8 mars 2017 à 02:26:07
lol life what a noob. Show me someone with 15K ES get one shot
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Dernière édition par Aim_Deep#3474, le 8 mars 2017 à 02:48:38
Great monsters mechanics
Very balanced and skill cap path of one shots
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As others said, fortify should be constant (use it as a link or duelist/scion ascendancy), when going 2h if you want to survive, unfortunately forms of mitigation on top of life like acrobatics are a must

but still, getting 1 shot at 8.5k life like that... thats one of the things that drove me off poe last time, game is pretty much forcing you into builds you might not want to do (aka going acro, going vaalpact, going ci etc just to survive them)
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