Chaos damage is OP

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

Chaos damage can't be buffed by curses (unless you have Chaos DoT, which is good with Vulnerability).

Not true, projectile weakness buffs projectiles regardless of damage types, same for assassins mark buffing crits... and there's also a skill called "wither" which is like a chaos damage curse but better all the way to 140%... funny how people has no clue about this...

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

Chaos damage has no status ailment, unless you count poison, but poison is not on by default (or Voltaxic).

Physical damage doesn't do status ailment neither and couldn't scale as high as chaos damage. Chaos isn't the poor victim here especially with the stupidity of chaos scaling.

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

As far as I have seen, there are only +1 to Chaos Skills items, no +2 ones.
Quite some monsters have resistance to chaos damage (many humans like Cannibals, Bandits) - so that it does not stand out there.

This really doesnt matter, your default damage is already 35% more than all other damage type. Because most monsters in game has 0 chaos resist by default.

Also it's funny when you point out some bandits has chaos resist... when ALL monsters in poe on average has 35% elemental resistance 35% physical damage reduction and 0 chaos resist BY DEFAULT.

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

The one huge advantage is that it is immune to reflect; without any conversion, chaos damage would be just fine.
So, please nerf conversion, not chaos per se if you want to nerf anything.

Chaos conversion is the biggest culprit yes, however GGG will need to give every single monsters ingame a innate chaos resist of 35%, allows reduced chaos damage for map mods and so on.

Chaos conversion is the biggest problem but definitely not the ONLY problem as far as chaos meta goes.

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Pewzor a écrit :

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Wazz72 a écrit :

As someone else said earlier, basic chaos dmg is in a good place,it's " XX% of Y converted to chaos dmg" that's op atm.

It's funny when the real chaos spells like essence drain and contagion aren't played much yet you get chaos spark chaos ice trap chaos flame blast chaos firestorm chaos [insert your favorite spell here] are running rampant...

It's quite ironic when GGG's new shiny released chaos focused spells really don't see much play because chaos conversion is so retardedly overpowered that ALL the curse effects added together still doesn't come close to chaos damage scaling. While chaos sparks are out there killing core malachi in 10 seconds and clearing gorge in 52 seconds.

Who would've thought that a boring and slow poop-like projectile and a damage over time effect are not the most interesting spells in the game to play with??? oO

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ivkoto77777 a écrit :

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Gorsz a écrit :

Whats wrong with wanting build diversity, and a balanced game? Chaos conversion is superior to the vast majority of the games builds with little investment.

I mean, is it healthy for the game to leave obviously broken things in the game to be exploited by a huge segment of the players?

It is completely fine for a huge segment of the players to have fun. On the other hand, no one is forcing you to play a chaos build (or any other one for that matter), if you don't like them. Does the existence of a (many) strong chaos build(s) somehow disable all other non-chaos support/active gems in the game? Where is the problem for you?

Some people don't like the fact knowing all the non-chaos builds they play are inherently inferior. So basically the lost the race already before they even got to the race track.

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ivkoto77777 a écrit :

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Pewzor a écrit :

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Wazz72 a écrit :

As someone else said earlier, basic chaos dmg is in a good place,it's " XX% of Y converted to chaos dmg" that's op atm.

It's funny when the real chaos spells like essence drain and contagion aren't played much yet you get chaos spark chaos ice trap chaos flame blast chaos firestorm chaos [insert your favorite spell here] are running rampant...

It's quite ironic when GGG's new shiny released chaos focused spells really don't see much play because chaos conversion is so retardedly overpowered that ALL the curse effects added together still doesn't come close to chaos damage scaling. While chaos sparks are out there killing core malachi in 10 seconds and clearing gorge in 52 seconds.

Who would've thought that a boring and slow poop-like projectile and a damage over time effect are not the most interesting spells in the game to play with??? oO

which is quite funny because that might just be where chaos builds should be like. 100% reflect immunity but slower in damage.

Since clearly that's the balanced chaos damage spell IN GGG's mind that GGG intentionally designed and released to the game as the primary chaos spell.

Oops. But we don't want to think like that... we newbs likes massive instant dps gratification and brainless spamfest right.

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Pewzor a écrit :

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ivkoto77777 a écrit :

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Gorsz a écrit :

Whats wrong with wanting build diversity, and a balanced game? Chaos conversion is superior to the vast majority of the games builds with little investment.

I mean, is it healthy for the game to leave obviously broken things in the game to be exploited by a huge segment of the players?

It is completely fine for a huge segment of the players to have fun. On the other hand, no one is forcing you to play a chaos build (or any other one for that matter), if you don't like them. Does the existence of a (many) strong chaos build(s) somehow disable all other non-chaos support/active gems in the game? Where is the problem for you?

Some people don't like the fact knowing all the non-chaos builds they play are inherently inferior. So basically the lost the race already before they even got to the race track.

A race? What are you racing for? The people who play CoC builds already won the 100lvl reace 10 times over. I can't see my poison trapper beating any of them at anything at any race at all when I clear any map for at least 5 minutes, while they take 0 damage and instakill t15 bosses.

Game balance. It matters.

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ivkoto77777 a écrit :

A race? What are you racing for? The people who play CoC builds already won the 100lvl reace 10 times over. I can't see my poison trapper beating any of them at anything at any race at all when I clear any map for at least 5 minutes, while they take 0 damage and instakill t15 bosses.

I don't know what kind of chaos trap build you are playing.

My chaos ice trapper insta-kill t15 bosses no problem. (longer for malachi due to heart phases, but yep about a second/2 trap tosses to kill all none phase bosses).

Maybe you copied a wrong guide?

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Pewzor a écrit :

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ivkoto77777 a écrit :

A race? What are you racing for? The people who play CoC builds already won the 100lvl reace 10 times over. I can't see my poison trapper beating any of them at anything at any race at all when I clear any map for at least 5 minutes, while they take 0 damage and instakill t15 bosses.

I don't know what kind of chaos trap build you are playing.

My chaos ice trapper insta-kill t15 bosses no problem. (Well takes about 2 seconds)

Maybe you copied a wrong guide?

I can kill bosses fairly quick and easy, but packs are slow. I can't play Ice Trap since it kills what is left over from my FPS count.

And maybe you could not make shitty snide remarks?

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Pewzor a écrit :

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

Chaos damage can't be buffed by curses (unless you have Chaos DoT, which is good with Vulnerability).

Not true, projectile weakness buffs projectiles regardless of damage types, same for assassins mark buffing crits... and there's also a skill called "wither" which is like a chaos damage curse but better all the way to 140%... funny how people has no clue about this...

Ah, right, Wither. Forgot about that. Unlike curses, however, it's a pain to use (well, actually curses pre Blasphemy weren't that great, neither, which is why people love to have CoH with HoT or CoH mod on corrupted gloves). It's a great buff, though, that's true.
However, since I'm enjoying Essence Drain/ Contagion at the moment, I'd be really sad if they nerfed Chaos when the problem seems to be Chaospark and the like.

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

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Pewzor a écrit :

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Mikrotherion a écrit :

Chaos damage can't be buffed by curses (unless you have Chaos DoT, which is good with Vulnerability).

Not true, projectile weakness buffs projectiles regardless of damage types, same for assassins mark buffing crits... and there's also a skill called "wither" which is like a chaos damage curse but better all the way to 140%... funny how people has no clue about this...

Ah, right, Wither. Forgot about that. Unlike curses, however, it's a pain to use (well, actually curses pre Blasphemy weren't that great, neither, which is why people love to have CoH with HoT or CoH mod on corrupted gloves). It's a great buff, though, that's true.
However, since I'm enjoying Essence Drain/ Contagion at the moment, I'd be really sad if they nerfed Chaos when the problem seems to be Chaospark and the like.

I am currently playing an Essence Drain/Contagion witch as well, and Wither pairs very very well with it you should mess around with it too.

I dont think ED/Conta will get nerfed, since the problem is mainly so called "Chaos Conversion". ED is native chaos and it's a DoT with mild upfront hit which limits its dps. Like one of the previous posters said people don't like slow dots, people nowadays wants instant gratification. Also ED/Conta takes 2 buttons to play (3 if you also use wither) and you have to choose a target to focus down to maximize its effectiveness. Kids today wants to spam 1 button.

It's clear looking at all the innate chaos skills like Essence Drain, Caustic Arrow, and Viper Strike, GGG wants Chaos damage to be a safe damage option against reflect at the cost of having slower damage. I doubt all the "prime" chaos conversion build with uber high dps and crazy fast clear speed while also being completely safe is what GGG have envisioned for "chaos damage".

Again I dont think ED will get touched (if anything they could make the projectile little faster) since it's not abusing conversion double/triple dipping damage and it's damage is soooo much slower compare to my Voltspark and my Chaos Ice Trap. Also ED is not a very good single target damage spell, so it doesn't kill major bosses in 1 second like I could with voltspark or chaos ice trap. ED is interesting to play poe for me taking on a different apporach tho, and it's clear speed isn't that bad... but the playstyle doesnt fit well with the instant gratification that all the kids nowadays are looking for.