Elementalist sucks. Never pick over assassin.

I may have been a bit too overconfident in making this topic - at least in regards to the power of Assassin, although assassin still lame op. Just wait for meta to shift. Remember how many times they nerfed crit, and now with assassin the crit is back in full power - and is lame broken for CoC. And yes inquisitor is also way op - however he is automatically disqualified because he looks horribly ugly/no style and witch eats village children for breakfast so who wants a templar anyway.

But let's go to the witch the supposed arch-pure caster. What there? Necro i'm not going into it can be abused but it is summoner centric so i won't even allow it in argument.. Then we have elementalist and occultist. Occultist is really cool and very powerful if build right, i like it a lot - to me this is the go-to es/noncrit caster. Elementalist? Still sucks. It rapes your head because you know you play a character that only excels at killing packs and is an overall weakling, although it does have some firework.

It just doesn't work right. That Elemental conflux needs to be changed in how/when you get it, it is litereally the only thing worth using from that entire ascendancy and it is not reliable, plus if you are under any type of pressure and have to play causciously/against hard enemy it approaches uselessness.

As I've said before (made a whole thread about it), biggest issue with Ascendancy classes is that there are way too many "Raider" classes. "On Kill" is not Frank's Red Hot sauce, GGG should not put that shit on everything.

Elementalist is yet another Raider, so if you can't keep up that momentum, yeah, it sucks.

This is such a hilarious piece of disinformation.

Elemental conflux is by far the most overpowered Ascendancy Passive in the game right now, nice try with the shilling OP, ROFL.

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Tin_Foil_Hat a écrit :

This is such a hilarious piece of disinformation.

Elemental conflux is by far the most overpowered Ascendancy Passive in the game right now, nice try with the shilling OP, ROFL.

Um. K.

Well, this thread was created before Elemental Overload was revealed. It's mere existence makes Elementalist a much stronger option.

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ScrotieMcB a écrit :

Well, this thread was created before Elemental Overload was revealed. It's mere existence makes Elementalist a much stronger option.

It's still pretty shit compared to an Inquisitor in late game maps.

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鬼殺し a écrit :

Crack's latest reply wasn't. He jumped the gun then. He's missing the point now.

You could also say your last post is just air - you don't play serious so you your opinion as most often times is rooted in something much closer to what seems funny or styleful under the best circumstances rather than what in reality is worthwhile and functions to the best ability.

We're mostly bashing elementalist for being too conditional and want that improved.

For the other dude going on about some people raging over opinion - yes its a problem when the game says there is no pure archetype caster the way it used to be - it warps what was into something else leading to dissatisfaction, even if the new form is good in itself.


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Just to round it up for those like charan and this other dude who are actually the ones missing the point. The point is that the pure blasting caster of the witch archetype isn't there in the same form, although elemental overload does help out a damn lot in that regard - there isn't a single of those witch classes that feel straightforward caster, they are all something niche and needs special creation rather than being generic casters.

So you miss the point - but really we are pointing out that styles and archetypes that used to exist have disappeared leaving us dissatisfied.

Your replies on how much u don't care are irrelevant to topic, go on to topic u have something useful/relevant to say about.


listen here are some chaos thoughts if u get it:

True occultist forces curse build to optimize - weird non generic caster. True elementalist forces use of non-shock spells to optimize, or some other weird prolif builds.

Say whatever u want, it's nagging at some of us that this that used to be the pure playstyle is destroyed - that now is for inquisitor and assassin more, but witch is still the archcaster. So you see it is an inconsistancy which results in those that like archecaster the most being forced away from that which lies closest to that style(in actual style) in order to practically come closest to that style.

- It was the same thing happened with marauder when there was outcry that all melee now needed champion etc, people didn't want to be forced into it when the marauder is the big bad melee monster, but since witch/es builds are less popular in the meta, the difference with marauder was so large, and since shadow looks are more accepted than duelist, it leaves not enough crying to address the caster issue in the same way, but it is essentially the same issue.

I also think the elemental overload/and reduction of crit multiplier from items, making it easier to get crit chance, assassin being best when heavy geared ES, plus meta not having caught up to the state of the game plays against assassin statistics, but assassin is a special kind of broken OP i haven't seen this type of broken since a long time.

For those of u who still want to read to misunderstand, i actually for one think elemental conflux is one of the coolest abilities in game.. i'm crazy about prolifed status ailments, and i still stand by what i said so u can think on that.

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Just to round it up for those like charan and this other dude who are actually the ones missing the point. The point is that the pure blasting caster of the witch archetype isn't there in the same form, although elemental overload does help out a damn lot in that regard - there isn't a single of those witch classes that feel straightforward caster, they are all something niche and needs special creation rather than being generic casters.

Well the Occultist clearly is. It offers the most important thing for a caster, a strong defense. It also offers a power charge, and PCoC. And I feel witch casters aren't necessarily crit casters, and with the curse part of the occultist this is enabled perfectly, since you get a lot of damage multipliers from your curses and Elemental Overload. And to be fair I don't feel the Assassin all that strong. Having 95% crit chance is nice, however the only thing it does is widen up the skill choice you have, since the spells with higher crit chance (mostly some of the fire and ice skills) already reached high numbers and the amount of Crit Mult you get is not that high. With 7 power charges Assassin gave me 60% increase in damage. Which is cool... but considering that this is all you get (all the other points are kinda meah, the 10% PC on non-crit are a complete waste and the 5th point is actually better than the 6th. So the Assassin has only one node that has any meaningful impact.

And when we think about those Charges, we also have to consider that the Assassin has no way of generating them. Curses again are on kill, which you are so against, same with Power Syphon. So there is only PCoC and Volls. I do use the later, and in this case Assassin is a natural choice. But for other builds you sacrifice these benefits for a Support-Gem and any meaningful defense. Going Occultist with the ES and PCoC path you get both.

The only thing that really benefits the Assassin is how great it works for CoC and Physical Spells. And Bladefall is still fairly potent, and CoC anyway. For true casters, there are other potent options, but there are many, while crit basically have one strong option and that is the assassin. There are a lot of Inquisitors, Elementalists or Occultists and even Necromancers that cast spells.

I doubt that a lot of those Assassins are actually casters. Assassin is just too good for non-casters to make all those assassins spellcasters. And if they aren't there is a mostly fair balance between Occultist, Elementalist and Assassin. However they are entirely different in their roles. Elementalist and Occultist (as well as even the Necromancer) have strong options for non-crit spell casting, which is something the assassin does not have. Their crit parts are lackluster though. Which means that whenever going crit is the best choice, Elementalist and Occultist will suffer, due to them being more focussed around non-crit builds.