Ascendancy kinda sucks

I only ask for dualwield shields thats all.

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crystalwitch a écrit :

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Johny_Snow a écrit :

Looking at the shadow's choices they seem dagger, trap and chaos based.

Where'd you get the dagger shadow from?
I only thought we had information about two of the Shadow Ascendancies.

It's kinda like my frost blades/shield block ranger.
She won't have the duelist blocking ascendancy, but there are still other options for her.

In your case, you can go with the critical strike boosting portion of the Assassin Ascendancy, unless the third Shadow Ascendancy turns out better suited.

Well right now we have Trap/Mines and Crit, one of those already works nice for an Elemental Shadow, I would assume that we get either something more Spell oriented or just something Elemental oriented or maybe something with Poison.

My ranger right now has basically 3 options which are all quite good. I can go Duelist and get permanent Fortify, thats the most defensive approach, I can use the ranger for something intermediate and a very offensive path by going Assassin. So my build is still possible with 3 classes, to which starting nodes I travel.

A bow marauder or templer might just use the defensive ascendancy classes and get a more offensive tree. The limitations only come with the offensive classes like Shadow, Witch and Ranger, without something defensive that basically helps every build they are more limited. Basically any char could just be Duelist and get Permanent Fortify and the Movespeed and Damage Aura. For obvious reasons a Duelist will always be attack based, since he has terrible starting nodes for anything else, so that would already be an issue and for any attack based build, be it 2h, Bow, Dual Wands etc. there are nodes there and even if some stats are wasted even a spellcasting duelist with fortify would be possible. Taunt on Hit would actually be really fun with Incinerate or Blade Vortex, so you could have permanent Fortify and the Damage Reduction from killing taunted enemies.

Even the Necromancer, Mistress of Sacrifice, Spirit Eater and Commander of Darkness could all be used on a non-summoner. Of course the Minion Damage would be wasted, but the notable effects would still benefit a lot of different builds.

Why do people actually act like ascendancy classes take away diversity or something.

If I wanted to play a summoner duelist it would still suck ass before or after ascendancy. If ascendancy was to away any options, it would equally add just as many options to begin with.

Well, anything Scion, Duelist and Shadow do on this side of tree is better done with Ranger. So now you can just do it as, well, Ranger. And Ascendancy actually introduces a brand new class called Duelist!

This aside though, I also feel salty about certain builds being locked to certain classes.

And I especially hate the whole Rogue stuff. Like... if I wanted to play Rogue, I'd play Rogue, not hack'n'slash dungeon grinder?

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Johny_Snow a écrit :

Putting aside my hatred towards indestructible enemies.......who the hell came up with the idea of locking classes for Ascendancy?

I love playing elemental bow shadow, something slightly unorthodox. Looking at the shadow's choices they seem dagger, trap and chaos based. So if I want to play my elemental bow I have to

1. Go with something else like ranger which supports it better
2. Waste my points on nodes which increase things I don't need

I am basically shafted, what I like to play has been made weaker because of class specialization.

HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE: Don't lock ascendancy classes to your initial choice of a class, let every class benefit from every ascendancy class they desire.

I love how many options we have already, why lock them behind stupid archetypes?

Not sure if you understand how his passives work but assassin is without a doubt the best class for ele bow builds not using a legacy windripper or a ridiculously rolled harbinger.

In fact, its hard to think of any crit based build that would NOT use assassin. That is why his passives are going to get nerfed to oblivion and/or even more removal of crit nodes from the tree. I'm guessing a healthy mix of both.

There is very little difference between ranger/shadow/duelist for ele bow builds. Where is the diversity in that.

Plz let any class pick any ascendency class :(

I wanna see 99% ppl play shadow and witch with templar ascendency for crit :D...

Hahaha that would be a good one 99% of the ladder with same specialisation.

You still have a huge amount of freedom compared to other action RPGs,you still have the normal passive tree,you still have your freedom with skill gems and supports.Its a tagged on restriction,it's not even like it restricts the rest of the tree.

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

Once you give up the idea that what the character looks like has nothing to do with your "build" it makes this argument look as silly as it does to us. That's what it comes down to. You want a elemental bow character. Great. Play one. You're just pissed that it doesn't look like a Shadow. Get over it.

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RagnarokChu a écrit :

Why do people actually act like ascendancy classes take away diversity or something.

If I wanted to play a summoner duelist it would still suck ass before or after ascendancy. If ascendancy was to away any options, it would equally add just as many options to begin with.

These two points are more than enough to refute any claim about ascendacy being bad for diversity and the game in general. Besides the 2-3 new builds ive made for talisman, i cant remember when was the last time i had so many new ideas for builds, and that is by just seeing some example ascendacy classes.

You... haven't played it at all yet, and you're trying to make these claims? Well, let's look at what the past two Ascendancy-Level xpacs added:


Sacrifice of the Vaal:
Atziri fight (Normal and Uber)
A handful of 'corrupt' gems
Currency Orb which added some interesting crafting implications.
I think Vaal Pyramid was introduced in this patch? I don't remember. I had only started playing so I wasn't really keeping track of additions.


Forsaken Masters:
Crafting benches
Reputation grind through daily quests and random missions (not a bad thing)
Hideouts!
I forget if there was anything else major in this, besides tree rebalance.

Ascendancy:

The labyrinth offers many chances to improve your gear for your build through the enchanting system available at completion of each run. Must run multiple times to get the enchantments you want, it seems. It adds another layer of endgame to break the monotony of maps maps maps. (A good thing)

Subclasses. This is a HUGE thing, as it adds a lot of possibilities for many of the outer-ring classes. I have nothing to say on Scion, not until we see her one class.

Yes, it does sound pretty big based on the subclasses and alternative end game offered. We don't know what else will be available, either.

they should just let us use those skill points elsewhere...like you dont pick anything from these skills and instead pick from the regular tree.