Theorycrafting: Burning Bear Trap

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pneuma a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

Maybe something like this:Passive skill tree build

Ghost Reaver doesn't work with traps.

The trap passives really don't help very much.

Spell damage and spell crit doesn't affect Bear Trap.

Not sure how you'd get power charges. Maybe a bow skill + power charge on crit, but would need a high base crit bow to make that work.

yah, leech and reflect doesnt work on you, since trap has 1 life, thus its not direct damage.

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pneuma a écrit :

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Spell Power helps. Mental Acuity, as mentioned before, doesn't help since Bear Trap doesn't use spell crit. (Spell Power is global crit, which is odd since it's named Spell power.)[...]

Other way round I think. Thanks for other info :) I also agree poison arrow is probably a better second skill now I think about it.

Another interesting thing is Darkscorn would make bear traps do 25% chaos damage.

Yeah, I swapped them in my head, whoops.
My 104 point tree correctly takes Mental Acuity and avoids Spell Power.
You can also go through a +10 str instead of a +10 int which helps stat requirements just a bit.

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AnnanFay a écrit :

Another interesting thing is Darkscorn would make bear traps do 25% chaos damage.

Totally missed that part.
That's awesome.

Once you start converting your physical damage away, it's best to convert all of it away since enemy armor starts to get more effective the less physical-per-hit you do.

btw you may wana test Fire Trap, see how it is triggered, espeially the explosion part.

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pneuma a écrit :

You could, but you only really need a backup attack of a different element than the one you're using. Anything that's not fire resistant is going to eat a bag of dicks as soon as that trap hits the ground.

With dual curse and penetration support, I'd have thought you can kill pretty much anything with your favourite element.

I was thinking a backup skill might be more useful tactically, for when there are a few stragglers left and you can't be bothered using your traps on them.

As for physical/chaos damage on Bear Trap: it doesn't actually matter, because monsters have negligible amounts of Armour for most purposes (I've heard the maximum is 930, at least in normal situations). You can be sure that mobs won't have enough armour to put a dent in Bear Trap's thousands of damage, even with 50% converted away. It *could* matter in PvP I suppose, against a well-prepared opponent. (Of course, an ill-prepared opponent will get set on fire, be caught off-guard and suffer horrifying amounts of damage.)

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starsg a écrit :

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pneuma a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

Maybe something like this:Passive skill tree build

Ghost Reaver doesn't work with traps.

The trap passives really don't help very much.

Spell damage and spell crit doesn't affect Bear Trap.

Not sure how you'd get power charges. Maybe a bow skill + power charge on crit, but would need a high base crit bow to make that work.

yah, leech and reflect doesnt work on you, since trap has 1 life, thus its not direct damage.

You still might want to use Fireball though for the leech, thats why i took it, i always like having a source of leech on any build

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Incompetent a écrit :

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pneuma a écrit :

You could, but you only really need a backup attack of a different element than the one you're using. Anything that's not fire resistant is going to eat a bag of dicks as soon as that trap hits the ground.

With dual curse and penetration support, I'd have thought you can kill pretty much anything with your favourite element.

I was thinking a backup skill might be more useful tactically, for when there are a few stragglers left and you can't be bothered using your traps on them.

I was mostly thinking about immune to curses, fire resist bosses. I hate dealing with them on my endurance discharge/burn marauder and I'm sure that it would be equivalent here. PA would let you keep damaging them and stopping their ES (if any) from regenerating while you continue to chuck traps at their face.

I should also mention that this build will never have the survivability to run the high maps nor will it have the damage to compete with 30k dps elecleave, 40k ranged LA, or 50k shavronne's cheese casters.

But damnit, it's all worth it to see something get immolated when it steps on that trap. Also it will be merciless and low maps viable.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

You still might want to use Fireball though for the leech, thats why i took it, i always like having a source of leech on any build

I don't think it's worth investing ~20 points on the tree to make your off-skill reliable. Such a setup makes hardcasting fireball almost strictly superior and removes all the coolness of this build (which says a thing or two about keystone/skill balance currently).

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pneuma a écrit :

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VictorDoom a écrit :

Maybe something like this:Passive skill tree build

Ghost Reaver doesn't work with traps.

The trap passives really don't help very much.

Spell damage and spell crit doesn't affect Bear Trap.

Not sure how you'd get power charges. Maybe a bow skill + power charge on crit, but would need a high base crit bow to make that work.

Fire trap works with crit/spelldamage, fire trap is probably what youre going to use most of the time since it is AoE. for Power charges just use ice spear with cold to fire, PcoC and faster cast and life leech, its going to be very easy to get power charges with it.

Realistically its hard to make BT work as an aoe, proliferation wont always kill everything so you might just want to use it against bosses hard rares etc, and fire trap for the trash mobs

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pneuma a écrit :

I was mostly thinking about immune to curses, fire resist bosses. I hate dealing with them on my endurance discharge/burn marauder and I'm sure that it would be equivalent here. PA would let you keep damaging them and stopping their ES (if any) from regenerating while you continue to chuck traps at their face.

Good point, though you do still have the non-fire portion of Bear Trap. You could also pop on Hatred situationally for some extra damage (bit of a mixed blessing with Elemental Proliferation, but it's all good vs a lone boss).

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I should also mention that this build will never have the survivability to run the high maps nor will it have the damage to compete with 30k dps elecleave, 40k ranged LA, or 50k shavronne's cheese casters.

Yes, it's sad that there are so many cheese builds that can clear the screen in a couple of shots, which smaller AoE/more fiddly offensive tactics can obviously never hope to compete with.

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then stack % ele damage to the sky