Necromancer Sucks

Leveling minions right now in SSF and league temple is the only remotely challenging content atm (having aroud 150% increased monster effectiveness for some enemies). To me it's much better that we need to do something instead of letting minions to do everything for us. At least I'm forced to use flame wall for raging spirits, curse and offerings to be effective. I'm in A3 so maybe it will become worse in maps but so far so good.

When talking about minions in 0.4, in power terms they are ok.

But there's an argument you made which I fully agree with and it's the one where GGG is trying to push commands for minions, asking the players for more action per second because of course "engaging combat".

People that play minions, want exactly the contrary of that, we want the minions to take care of the combat and the only thing I like to use as spells is stuff to debuff the mobs or buff the minions and such.

They even changed the tree even more to reduce minion damage a little but they added damage for the main char as well on those nodes, hinting the players they want them to also use skills/spells to do DPS that don't come from the minions themselves.

And the nodes for minion command damage, are dead nodes to me, but I understand some players might want to go there so I'm not really worried about that, but this cannot be the direction it should go any further.

I played poison arrow this league and it was one of the most unsatisfying build I've even played so far, even if I killed uber abitrer already with it with pretty decent gear so I went back to minions, at level 56 right now and I'm having more fun.

I just hope that this trend of wanting to use command skills dosen't take over otherwise this would simply be another spell caster class hidden under the front of a minion build.

+1 it sucks

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Oinkaments#6390 a écrit :

They even changed the tree even more to reduce minion damage a little but they added damage for the main char as well on those nodes, hinting the players they want them to also use skills/spells to do DPS that don't come from the minions themselves.

I think that's mainly because these nodes are in druid/templar area and those two classes are meant to DPS along with their minions not because GGG wnats to force pure minion builds to do that.

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Sakanabi#6664 a écrit :

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Oinkaments#6390 a écrit :

They even changed the tree even more to reduce minion damage a little but they added damage for the main char as well on those nodes, hinting the players they want them to also use skills/spells to do DPS that don't come from the minions themselves.

I think that's mainly because these nodes are in druid/templar area and those two classes are meant to DPS along with their minions not because GGG wnats to force pure minion builds to do that.

This.

Even in PoE 1, some of the good minion passives for dedicated summoners were found in the Templar side of the tree.

Yeah, minions are absolutely viable. They're just not "put on a cracked wand you found in Act 2 and AFK your way to endgame" viable.

I'm playing a pure minion build that's basically 100% passive/support. I don't cast direct damage spells at monsters. My minions do the killing, I do the paperwork. The only "offense" I press is Pain Offering occasionally to juice single-target, mostly on bosses.

And even then it's usually optional, because most things (including bosses) evaporate in a second or two once the build is geared properly. So if the argument is "minions can't kill or tank", I'd say it's more "minions need gear and scaling" than "minions are dead."

A bit bad quality, but you get the point:
https://imgur.com/a/e93bUi0

What? WHAT?! Is this some kind of troll post?

Ok, first of all, there is no necromancer in this game. There is a Lich.
If you mean that LICH sucks, you are SO WRONG. And i mean the "hordes of minions". Minion lich is one of the strongest builds there is right now. Exactly what you are asking for, minions do everything for you and you just hide.

Like, show your POB? Because i GUARANTEE your build is probably some kind of nonsence where you didn't do just some fundamental things.

My friend plays literaly what you are asking for, he has like 30 skeletons just destroying all content in this game.

Yeah, 100% troll post. I am reporting this. No way this person is not trolling. Only replies to people who just talk and to noone who offers help. Didnt even share his POD or a screenshot of char.

Well, if you want to share this magical build that works so well by all means show me, I'm curious. No, really, go for it.

I am 100% not being disingenuous, if you can show me a better way to play then by all means, I would LOVE to enjoy POE2 in the way I want to play POE2.

Though, couple things:

1. I am not too concerned with 'power levels' or whatever in this case. I just want to play the game, the way I want to play the game. Also, I am really grateful for the people here who have identified that, and agreed with me. I appreciate that.

2. I am not trolling in the least. This is a feedback post in a feedback forum. I did not come here to ask help, I am just saying what I think of the design decisions of the dev team when it comes to, Lich, Necromancer, Minions, whatever you want to call it.

3. My main issue is with, yes, 'Command' skills. I think there is nothing more boring and lame, than ordering a skeleton to throw a bomb or something. And, I refuse to be tricked - this is equivalent to just playing an Elementalist or otherwise, just throwing a fireball, and I don't want to do that.

In many ways you are also just signing up for something objectively worse in that your fireball isn't always available, has a cooldown, and can 'die' from time to time. Which is just great.

My friend is playing exactly that. No command skills, just a bunch of skeletons with lightning that melt everything. Can you show your character? Like on PoENinja or smth. I will ask my friend.