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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

i take that as a 'no'?

it was done on purpose

you being disingenuous? i mean... that makes it worse. take care man

You can keep trying to put words in my mouth but that would be disingenuous. I purposefully replied in the way i did because what i thought i read was disingenuous and illogical to the argument at hand.

"imagine reversing that. 'sorry you can play poe1 if you want zoom zoom, poe2 was just a branding get over it'"

Is disingenous and illogical because

"Players of path of exile where told explicitly that purchases of supporter packs would go towards the development of PoE2."

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

I was around in beta, i played launch a bit. Sure you can say that was "poe" but it wasn't the ultimate vision of ggg, there was a lot of things wrong at the time. You could say that what PoE1 now is, is the vision come to fruition.

Remember when Chris tried to revert all of that power creep? The community wanted to bury the whole company. They became slaves to their community now, instead of following their heart. Understandable because they have responsibility for people that work at GGG, it's not great to fire people. At least that's the case of poe 1.

With Poe 2 though, they had chance to open completely new chapter, and come back to more grounded experience that they wanted to make, now with all the experience from the past, knowing that you cannot give too much power, because it's hard to revert it.

It seems that they are doing the same mistake again.
People that dislike zooming will soon quit, and community will consist mainly of zoomers, which will make it even harder to make sudden changes to undo it.

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iHiems#0168 a écrit :

It's marketed as arpg but also as souls-like, or if you want to disagree it was never marketed as souls-like, at the very least it was marketed as not another arpg copy paste like the million others in the market.

It's, again, the reason many people who didn't enjoy the slot machine mindless blasting playstyle came from other genres to try it in the first place. So, what do we do now?

I'm one of those players. I never played PoE 1 because it looked way too much of a struggle to learn as it looks way too much complex to even bother to be honest. PoE 2 was sold as simpler, so I took the leap. In my opinion I was lied to, as the game is still a bit complex, specially for someone with 0 experience with these sorts of games, particularly PoE, but still, I overall enjoyed and am enjoying the game, but 0.3.1 kind of is killing it for me as this changes are too much - I'm at the point where I farm but get no good loot so I can't progress, I can't craft, so here I am. But I totally understand that you don't feel like this and enjoy the game as is, or you enjoy the path it's taking - I'm just enfasizing that the majority doesn't, and also that this genre of games it's tricky to achieve what you appear to like and GGGs' vision.

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Niszczyciel#1619 a écrit :

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

I was around in beta, i played launch a bit. Sure you can say that was "poe" but it wasn't the ultimate vision of ggg, there was a lot of things wrong at the time. You could say that what PoE1 now is, is the vision come to fruition.

Remember when Chris tried to revert all of that power creep? The community wanted to bury the whole company. They became slaves to their community now, instead of following their heart. Understandable because they have responsibility for people that work at GGG, it's not great to fire people. At least that's the case of poe 1.

With Poe 2 though, they had chance to open completely new chapter, and come back to more grounded experience that they wanted to make, now with all the experience from the past, knowing that you cannot give too much power, because it's hard to revert it.

It seems that they are doing the same mistake again.
People that dislike zooming will soon quit, and community will consist mainly of zoomers, which will make it even harder to make sudden changes to undo it.

They had a great opportunity to launch themselves into the future with there next iteration on the genre and path of exile, except in my eyes they instead went sideways because they saw more customers.

As i said in an earlier post, they should have just made a new IP to move on from PoE.

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VaporTrail#6763 a écrit :

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

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AintCare#6513 a écrit :

lol what kind of argument is that?

and no, this was poe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y

b4 the 'tourists'

I was around in beta, i played launch a bit. Sure you can say that was "poe" but it wasn't the ultimate vision of ggg, there was a lot of things wrong at the time. You could say that what PoE1 now is, is the vision come to fruition.



If you want a better argument for "poe" which is actually more souls-like, chris's idea which is ruthless is still around if you want the raw poe experience.


E: It's the kind of argument you get when you put across disingenuous illogical replies.

Oh so you were around when poe1 had challenge and was good. Before the no life loser streamers and their ilk advocated for zoom & boom turning it into the mess it is, and you lot want to turn poe2 into that crap again?

Go praise your toucan. Oh wait, you guys rue your cat now is that right?

I am advocating for path of exile to be path of exile, not path of souls. That's not to say i agree with the design of poe1, i do think that the idea that its zoom and boom is massive blown out of proportion. It took me hundreds of hours blind in poe1 before i got to the point where i could zoom and boom. My first character this league is already at the zoom and boom, only upto t11, that took a day.

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

They had a great opportunity to launch themselves into the future with there next iteration on the genre and path of exile, except in my eyes they instead went sideways because they saw more customers.

As i said in an earlier post, they should have just made a new IP to move on from PoE.

Yeah, probably, and should name it "Ruthless exiles" so there is no misunderstanding what is the vision. Now "everybody" asks for easy and fast, but it already is exactly that.

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Niszczyciel#1619 a écrit :

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

They had a great opportunity to launch themselves into the future with there next iteration on the genre and path of exile, except in my eyes they instead went sideways because they saw more customers.

As i said in an earlier post, they should have just made a new IP to move on from PoE.

Yeah, probably, and should name it "Ruthless exiles" so there is no misunderstanding what is the vision. Now "everybody" asks for easy and fast, but it already is exactly that.

Unironically, if they added ruthless it'd appease both camps xD

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gr0o0ve#1473 a écrit :

"imagine reversing that. 'sorry you can play poe1 if you want zoom zoom, poe2 was just a branding get over it'"

Is disingenous and illogical because

"Players of path of exile where told explicitly that purchases of supporter packs would go towards the development of PoE2."

so while 'we' were told that the game 'wont be just poe1 extra acts' your reply with 'was used in marketing, but thats marketing. Sorry to all those got duped into thinking they could turn this into something that wasn't poe, you got duped.'

but if i would reverse that and apply to you. where you were told 'explicitly that purchases of supporter packs would go towards the development of PoE2.' (which btw have 0 indication of how similar poe2 to poe1 would be) with 'sorry you can play poe1 if you want zoom zoom, poe2 was just a branding get over it' which was meant as 'sorry you got duped' with a ~get over it~ vibe of your reply.

Somehow your version is not disingenuous? and totally in good faith?

i also find it ironic that you don't find poe2 direction to be as much poe1-like as it seems to be. imo the slop tactic will continue to maximize reach and turn this into a shallow version of poe1, and neither poe1 nor poe2/methodical combat crowd' will be happy- but none of that matters because money will come. same way how shit movies make bank these days. i also wouldn't be surprised if they merge servers at some point because they wont put up with bunny hopping between two games.

say w/e you want about blizzard but they kept servers up, without DLCs, itemized bloat requiring extra storage under a disguise of fp2. when they actually released a proper Remaster it was true to its former self, with proper QOL like updated keybindings and not relying on AHK macros, without years of hype and lies, without an EA badge (as if entity owned by tencent needs EA type assist) all while still keeping the OG servers up.

What is happening here is borderline fraud.

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Rakie1337#5746 a écrit :

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Nikuksis#6962 a écrit :

"slow brainless easy node" and "fast, action-packed engaging gameplay"- I don't understand if this is sarcasm or trolling. Or just global misunderstanding what is engaging combat.
Again in my point of view slower (engaging) gameplay of first acts in SSF non-meta builds is harder and much more attractive than onebutton explosing screens and oneshotting bosses in endgame.

All proper iterations of an ARPG are brainless, i'm literally here FOR that. I play POE to turn the brain off and NOT think.

Slow gameplay is brainded. Fast gameplay is brainded. If it's gonna be braindead regardless i'd rather be having fun at breakneck speed.

POE 2 doesn't offer anything POE 1 doesn't, except everything has been made worse intentionally for... who the fuck knows honestly. Nobody ever asked for any of this POE 2 shit, we had money taken from us when they were just making a new skippable campaign and the game was exactly the same with shared endgame... That's what we signed up for, that's why we gave them money, and that was an outlandish lie from GGG. The bait and switch was amongst the worst i've ever seen by a developer ever.

POE 2 is like going to a restaurant, ordering a steak, and being told not to complain when you get a bowl of blanched onions instead of the meal you wanted.

We got bait and switched so painfully bad i'd rather POE 2 just become POE 1, so I have a new league every 2 months instead of trudging through this game. Honestly I'm not a fan of development team leaving POE 1 to make POE 2, we suffered through like 5 years of sub-par leagues for THIS game???? really????

Exactly this!

I have however noticed that the PoE2 fanclub is almost exclusively people with little to no investment in the company, precious few supporter packs, if any.

They do not understand why people are upset about being promised an update/expansion and being met with "we hear you, we missed the mark, we are sorry"

I've tried engaging them to understand what they like and it appears to simply be that they were unsuccessful in the fast action-packed PoE1 and want another generic Diablo clone.