Why is warrior getting nerfed?

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onetruelai#7327 a écrit :

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MadSheo#0280 a écrit :

So what you just said is "Well, there are many good things, look - a nerf, another nerf, nerf again, and more nerfs, but its not that bad". Lmao

flammability is a pure buff with no nerfs attached
armour applies to elemental damage is a pure buff with no nerfs attached
blocks working with all hits is a buff
no cd on shield charge is a buff

If your boss gives you a 10 cent an hour raise are you going to sing him praises?

Blocks working with all hits may be a buff in a vacuum but your max chance to block has been nerfed from 75% to 50% dont glaze over that like its nothing.

Shield charge was changed negatively too.

Just stop

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 a écrit :

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onetruelai#7327 a écrit :

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MadSheo#0280 a écrit :

So what you just said is "Well, there are many good things, look - a nerf, another nerf, nerf again, and more nerfs, but its not that bad". Lmao

flammability is a pure buff with no nerfs attached
armour applies to elemental damage is a pure buff with no nerfs attached
blocks working with all hits is a buff
no cd on shield charge is a buff

If your boss gives you a 10 cent an hour raise are you going to sing him praises?

Blocks working with all hits may be a buff in a vacuum but your max chance to block has been nerfed from 75% to 50% dont glaze over that like its nothing.

Shield charge was changed negatively too.

Just stop

Flammability and armour changes are not a "10 cent an hour raise". Flammability is massive, and if you do invest into armour instead of viewing it as an afterthought like most people do you *will* notice the difference.

25% reduced block chance should approximately even out by the fact that you block everything. And it does not affect active block, which includes shield charge and resonating shield.

Yes there are nerfs. There are also buffs. Now you just need to build in a way that utilizes the buffs and minimizes the effect of nerfs. Warrior is far from dead.

I dont know what flammability is, thats why i didnt comment on it. The armour counting to elemental damage is a 10 cent an hour raise 100%. the armour calculation happens before resistances. It will give you like 2-3% dr on a normal elemental hit because the value of elemental hits are balanced around you having 75% resistances.

This was only put in the game to give the illusion for warriors to not be so rekt after the smith of kitava nerfs and the max res belt being removed from the game.

Do me a favor. Go find all those stormweaver rerollers and tell them that the nerfs were nothing. they should have just figured out how to make the class work.

going from 13294 in std to 915 in dawn of the hunt and most of those were probably copers.

Why did acolyte of chayula not get any play? Why dont people just make the best of it? Because this game centers around the economy and having a strong build to be able to farm currency to be able to play the game. That is the average trade league players experience.

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flammability is a pure buff with no nerfs attached
armour applies to elemental damage is a pure buff with no nerfs attached
blocks working with all hits is a buff
no cd on shield charge is a buff

Flammability is not a warrior buff.

Armor applying to elemental hits is basically broken and provides almost no benefit.

Shield charge was nerfed and buffed. It's a wash. Also, the shield skills are going to still suck and nobody is going to play them except thorn and meme builds.

The block change is a nerf in overall EHP. They nerfed warbringer and shield mods (changing from 7 max mods to 3).

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The armour counting to elemental damage is a 10 cent an hour raise 100%. the armour calculation happens before resistances. It will give you like 2-3% dr on a normal elemental hit because the value of elemental hits are balanced around you having 75% resistances.

Correct. I don't understand how all these designs for warrior are so bad.

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25% reduced block chance should approximately even out by the fact that you block everything.

Your math is wrong. A change from 75% to 50% max black is a reduction of 50%.

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Now you just need to build in a way that utilizes the buffs and minimizes the effect of nerfs.

This is an interesting claim that ignores the actual changes presented in the patch notes.

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FPSPV#4195 a écrit :

The block change is a nerf in overall EHP. They nerfed warbringer and shield mods (changing from 7 max mods to 3).

active shield became an immunity bubble, how is that a nerf?
people still hung up on poe1 spreadsheet mindset where you need to cap all passive stats to even engage with the game.
ggg is going against that here, and i hope they go even further with it

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 a écrit :

I dont know what flammability is, thats why i didnt comment on it. The armour counting to elemental damage is a 10 cent an hour raise 100%. the armour calculation happens before resistances. It will give you like 2-3% dr on a normal elemental hit because the value of elemental hits are balanced around you having 75% resistances.

Yes it won't save you against a large boss hit. It will absolutely help while mapping. Just do the math. Say with 75% res you get hit for 500 (pretty big while mapping). Before resistances it would be 2000. 20 000 armour (i'm aiming for 30k at least) would reduce it to 1000, so you will get hit for only 250. Which is like having additional 12% elemental resistance. Most hits won't be 500 though but more like 200. Yes, you could already have 90% resistances with Kitava but honestly that ascendancy was waiting to be nerfed.

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Do me a favor. Go find all those stormweaver rerollers and tell them that the nerfs were nothing. they should have just figured out how to make the class work.

I don't see a point. No one ever picked a warrior because it's the meta. I for one am certainly playing 1h boneshatter/PS Titan in 0.3, likely transitioning to resonating shield later (and be basically immune to all hits, at least those coming from the front).

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active shield became an immunity bubble, how is that a nerf?

Read the patch notes to understand the multiple nerfs to shields and the warbringer ascendency.

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Just do the math. Say with 75% res you get hit for 500 (pretty big while mapping). Before resistances it would be 2000. 20 000 armour (i'm aiming for 30k at least) would reduce it to 1000, so you will get hit for only 250.

That's not how it works at all.

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I don't see a point. No one ever picked a warrior because it's the meta. I for one am certainly playing 1h boneshatter/PS Titan in 0.3, likely transitioning to resonating shield later.

The problem is that boneshatter has been the meta since release. Because the other skills are designed so poorly and just got nerfed. 1h mace crit damage also got nerfed. Which is insane.

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FPSPV#4195 a écrit :

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Just do the math. Say with 75% res you get hit for 500 (pretty big while mapping). Before resistances it would be 2000. 20 000 armour (i'm aiming for 30k at least) would reduce it to 1000, so you will get hit for only 250.

That's not how it works at all.

Eh yes, this is exactly how it works. You apply the armour formula to pre-mitigated damage and then apply mitigation. Which is exactly what i did.

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The problem is that boneshatter has been the meta since release. Because the other skills are designed so poorly and just got nerfed. 1h mace crit damage also got nerfed. Which is insane.

Yes it's the meta for warrior and it's still amazing. Resonating Shield is NOT the meta but is gonna be absolutely insane. 1h maces crit is a strange nerf but only 0.00001% used them anyway. On the other hand, we're now able to apply good ignite values reliably with 1h maces.

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Eh yes, this is exactly how it works. You apply the armour formula to pre-mitigated damage and then apply mitigation. Which is exactly what i did.

I'm sorry, that's not how armor works in POE or POE 2. Please see Kripps video or a number of other videos or posts here about how it works.

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On the other hand, we're now able to apply good ignite values reliably with 1h maces.

I'd love to play with two one-handers. We'll see.