The real problem of XP LOSS.

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UnseamedOwl319#8377 a écrit :

I don’t mind a xp penalty, but dying once in a map and I lose 4-5 maps worth of xp. So I’m being penalized on maps I’ve already completed. Just make it so any xp in that or activity is lost.

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DEvil27#6183 a écrit :

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

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DEvil27#6183 a écrit :

Punishment only matters when it is difficult enough that you cannot avoid that. But if you are going this far to deny that, it is not me who will force it to you.

Anyway, have fun with your jorney of trying to remove punishments when failing challenges, allowing solving things with brute force and ruining the sense of accomplishment when overcoming them.

That's not what I'm asking for though. I just want it to be optional. You can still choose to play with those punishment mechanics enabled if you want to feel your sense of accomplishment. And the rest of the players can just click a button to turn it off and have fun. Everybody wins.

The game is already split into leagues with different settings. It makes no sense to create a variable setting inside a league. It would be easier if they create a “babycore” league with the setting you suggested and others “easy mode” features. I’m not against that but playing that would be lame IMHO.

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

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KurauPM#6519 a écrit :

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

That's not what I'm asking for though. I just want it to be optional. You can still choose to play with those punishment mechanics enabled if you want to feel your sense of accomplishment. And the rest of the players can just click a button to turn it off and have fun. Everybody wins.

But that wouldnt be fair, because of market.

So, there is another option, and i'm curious about what you would think about it :
What if, they actually make this "0 penalty on death" system, but in SC SSF?
It would be fair, because no market, so no impact at all for anybody.
Would you go in SSF SC with 0 penalty on death, or stay in SC trade with penalties ?

Nope, that's just more compromises and weird non-solutions. We don't need a downside for removing exp loss. Its bad and brings nothing positive. Removing it would be a net-positive for this game and nothing of value would be lost and people would forget it ever existed like after 2 weeks max.

And what "market"? As if omens of amelioration couldn't just be deleted or changed to do something else. The market would be identical, its just 1 omen. Not even the best one, there are other way more useful omens in both games.

I would play ssf if it was actually fun and well-designed like in LE LMAO
In that game at least you can guaranteed target-farm anything you want, this is how you should design ssf. Invest X time into Y content=Z result. Simple. Like why would I ever play such an inferior gamemode where everything just takes 200 more hours when I can instead just buy all my bis gear in trade and blast and have fun? Makes 0 sense. This is why ssf is not very popular.


But anyway, the whole market argument is just non-existent. Its just a singular item, yeah lets hold the game back because people need their omen profits from Faustus.

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KurauPM#6519 a écrit :

? Why are you focused on Omen? lol
When i say market, i'm talking about everything, currencies, the fact that you may never see 1 single Perfect jewel for months even spamming 50 T15 / day, and you wont be able to use poetrade neither.
I dont care about omens xD, but i'm not sure you realize that SSF gameplay is very different.

I wouldnt mind if they put the no death penalty in SSF SC.
I would mind if they try to do that in SC.

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

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KurauPM#6519 a écrit :

? Why are you focused on Omen? lol
When i say market, i'm talking about everything, currencies, the fact that you may never see 1 single Perfect jewel for months even spamming 50 T15 / day, and you wont be able to use poetrade neither.
I dont care about omens xD, but i'm not sure you realize that SSF gameplay is very different.

I wouldnt mind if they put the no death penalty in SSF SC.
I would mind if they try to do that in SC.

How exactly would removing exp loss affect the economy in trade then? It wouldn't.

I don't play ssf, and never will in this game. That's a complete waste of time when I can just buy all the best items with my currency.

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...People that play the market would HAVE TO active it, to allow them to play Full-retarded fast speed builds, and wouldnt care about death because 0 penalty...

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

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DEvil27#6183 a écrit :

The game is already split into leagues with different settings. It makes no sense to create a variable setting inside a league. It would be easier if they create a “babycore” league with the setting you suggested and others “easy mode” features. I’m not against that but playing that would be lame IMHO.

Oh I wouldn't mind that. Then we would see truly what the majority of the players prefer and which league they will pick to have the most fun in. But splitting economies even more is just a bad idea, who cares if they haven't done variable settings in the game before? Is it impossible for a live-service game to innovate? Must PoE always be stuck 20 years in the past because "D2 had this and that"?

The most simple solution that wouldn't split the game into any more leagues is just letting people tweak these things themselves. It wouldn't cost them any more server usage like a new league option would.

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Kodavor#1200 a écrit :

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...People that play the market would HAVE TO active it, to allow them to play Full-retarded fast speed builds, and wouldnt care about death because 0 penalty...

0 Penalty for you = Lose tower set up + lose juice + lose map + lose time invested in map + lose map loot

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KurauPM#6519 a écrit :

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Kodavor#1200 a écrit :

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...People that play the market would HAVE TO active it, to allow them to play Full-retarded fast speed builds, and wouldnt care about death because 0 penalty...

0 Penalty for you = Lose tower set up + lose juice + lose map + lose time invested in map + lose map loot

Yes. That's called loosing.
Did you know, if you lose all your tries against a Pinnacle boss, you also lose the map, loots, and wasted the item that open the gate (audiance, logbook, 3 frags, etc) ?
Damn, maybe we should try to fix that too...