The real problem of XP LOSS.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

so smart .. how do you figure the majority dislike xp loss?

Because only 4 players in the whole season have reached level 100, and yet hundreds of thousands of players (the vast majority) have put the game down to play something else instead of sticking around to endure the grind.

The patch with better loot gave them a 5 day tiny bump in players but without changing the greater pain points, it has gone back to bleeding thousands of players a day.

they are level 100 because they deserved it. if you play like crap dont expect to reach 100. 100 is special. they SURELY have figured out ways to not die to random things to get there. if you want 100, go earn it. its not something you say "mama, hes lvl100, i want lvl100 too. pls pls pls"

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

they are level 100 because they deserved it. if you play like crap dont expect to reach 100. 100 is special. they SURELY have figured out ways to not die to random things to get there. if you want 100, go earn it. its not something you say "mama, hes lvl100, i want lvl100 too. pls pls pls"

I notice how quickly you pivot to antagonize, because you have nothing to say about "the majority" point anymore and are too shameless to admit you were wrong to bring it up as if it was a point in your favor.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

they are level 100 because they deserved it. if you play like crap dont expect to reach 100. 100 is special. they SURELY have figured out ways to not die to random things to get there. if you want 100, go earn it. its not something you say "mama, hes lvl100, i want lvl100 too. pls pls pls"

I notice how quickly you pivot to antagonize, because you have nothing to say about "the majority" point anymore and are too shameless to admit you were wrong to bring it up as if it was a point in your favor.

what do you want me to say about majority? there's the few of you crying about it, and many others defending it.

you talked about 100, i responded to 100, if i don't respond about 100, what will you say? nothing to say about 100 point?

im more detailed than most of you as it is. so dont give me that.

but i dont think the correct approach is majority/minority anyway. its sensibility. for reasons spoken, theres no sense in removing xp loss. at this point, you crying about xp loss isn't going to change anything this league and more than likely, in future leagues.

so how about listen to what many other defenders here have been saying and just try to fix your game, because its not going to get better by crying about it.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

what do you want me to say about majority? there's the few of you crying about it, and many others defending it.

you talked about 100, i responded to 100, if i don't respond about 100, what will you say? nothing to say about 100 point?

Will you speak to the fact that the vast majority of players have chosen to play other games instead of engage with the grind to level 100? If it was popular with most players, then you would see most players stay and endure.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

but i dont think the correct approach is majority/minority anyway. its sensibility. for reasons spoken, theres no sense in removing xp loss. at this point, you crying about xp loss isn't going to change anything this league and more than likely, in future leagues.

If nothing is to change, so be it. There's a reason POE 2 player count is now exactly in line as a continuation from the player count levels from POE 1 (actually it's worse than some POE 1 leagues). They had a much higher ceiling of opportunity when you see what the player count looked like for the first two months after launch, and if they choose to squander that opportunity it's their loss.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

so how about listen to what many other defenders here have been saying and just try to fix your game, because its not going to get better by crying about it.

We give feedback in the feedback section of the forums because we want to see the game better & for the devs to have bigger success with a wider audience. You are not really defending the design but instead attacking other players for not liking it.

I love how the only argument left is: you are bad at the game.

Wouldnt even care about...

But how about that?

Its just no freaking fun.

Have your game with all that bs time sink.

Was about to start a third character this league. Have a 91 and now a 79. But no. Thanks. Not gonna play much from now on. Maybe try next league. No point in pushing, though. Makes the whole game feel weird.

I get the concept. Having just the skeleton of an arpg with all the manipulative psych mechanics is still no fun.

And for sure not gonna invest money into a game that makes me feel bad all the time.

Do you realize that we have no real xp penalty?
Why is it stopping at 0% ? Why not doing it right and have it go backwards in level? That would be a proper xp loss punishment. If you do it, do it the f right.

They either need to add a combat log or remove XP loss while its in this beta stage.
Conversely, they also need to remove the respec costs while in beta/EA.

You cannot pull the "one-shot-lever" then put barriers up that prevents the player from making adjustments to the very thing that killed them. Allow people to make changes. Some times those changes can take a lot of time and currency in and of themselves. That's not including the time spent to get the xp that was lost.
I mean sure, I could jump on youtube and look at the meta builds, copy it, and zoom through all of the maps with little to no worry. But, thats not how I play. I like to experiment and try new things on my own. If I screw up, I'd like to know what I did wrong and make the appropriate corrections.

75% of the time when I die, I have no idea of what specifically killed me.
I'll give you an example. I was running an Augery (sp?) corrupted map a couple of days ago. I was running through a room and in the closest inside corner of the room was one of the little blood bombs.
One shot
Dead
XP loss.
I couldn't see it nor could I have known it was there.

There are way too many cheap BS deaths in this game to not allow the player to make adjustments and still punish them with xp loss.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

what do you want me to say about majority? there's the few of you crying about it, and many others defending it.

you talked about 100, i responded to 100, if i don't respond about 100, what will you say? nothing to say about 100 point?

Will you speak to the fact that the vast majority of players have chosen to play other games instead of engage with the grind to level 100? If it was popular with most players, then you would see most players stay and endure.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

but i dont think the correct approach is majority/minority anyway. its sensibility. for reasons spoken, theres no sense in removing xp loss. at this point, you crying about xp loss isn't going to change anything this league and more than likely, in future leagues.

If nothing is to change, so be it. There's a reason POE 2 player count is now exactly in line as a continuation from the player count levels from POE 1 (actually it's worse than some POE 1 leagues). They had a much higher ceiling of opportunity when you see what the player count looked like for the first two months after launch, and if they choose to squander that opportunity it's their loss.

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LiMA6#0387 a écrit :

so how about listen to what many other defenders here have been saying and just try to fix your game, because its not going to get better by crying about it.

We give feedback in the feedback section of the forums because we want to see the game better & for the devs to have bigger success with a wider audience. You are not really defending the design but instead attacking other players for not liking it.

I actually don't really play this league anymore, and it's not because of xp loss, it's simply because it's actually boring. People i talk to agree it's boring. None of the people i know of has complained to me about xp loss. People i know who start new chars, go from lvl1 to 90 within 2 days. poe2 is trash, for multitudes of other reasons, but most surely not xp loss.

also, stop playing victim. telling you to figure out how to survive is not attacking. help was even offered. so its really pathetic.

i should also add that, they did one very sensible change with xp loss, removed it from special mechanics/bosses. this makes perfect sense to give people a chance to learn the mechanics than to avoid taking any boss fights until leveled.

Exp loss is just bad and unfun, should be deleted. Such outdated mechanics don't belong in any game in the current year.

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SpankyKong#9805 a écrit :

Will you speak to the fact that the vast majority of players have chosen to play other games instead of engage with the grind to level 100? If it was popular with most players, then you would see most players stay and endure.

There is no proof indicating that this is the reason why people stopped playing.
If you watch any poe2 content at all then of all the magnitudes of reasons that content creators mention for why they didnt enjoy the league then this is never mentioned.

You are just taking the fact that the league was received poorly and then asserting that they must have the same opinion as you and trying to present it as proof. Exp loss has been in the game since poe1 and it hasnt stopped people from enjoying and praising leagues. So all the evidence is against you.

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Toforto#2372 a écrit :

Exp loss is just bad and unfun, should be deleted. Such outdated mechanics don't belong in any game in the current year.

How can it be bad and outdated when it is still used in pretty much every good game thats being made.