can we please stop the power creep, already? (or better - reverse it)

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imLuCaSsS a écrit :

lol 0 challenges player complaining about synthesis content.

Standard players... lmao fuck off, what a cancer

Mr "I chicken when I see betrayal so I stop playing"... You know some people have other accounts. I am not posting with my league account for example.

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Fruz a écrit :

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142k ES ??? how is this even possible ? Oo
Sorry, I'm not buying that ridiculous screenshot at all.
Edit : FML, if it's on empyrean stream, it's probably true .... what the fuck ...

It s a test to see the max es one can get with support. Their solo builds without supports have about 30k+ es which is still insane.

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robmafia a écrit :

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imLuCaSsS a écrit :

lol 0 challenges player complaining about synthesis content.

Standard players... lmao fuck off, what a cancer

'lol 5 challenge player that said "league bad" and also isn't playing synthesis complaining about synthesis'

also, i'm not a standard player.

also, i'm complaining about far more power creep than synthesis.

If a person instinctively takes an immediate dislike of content, it's natural and makes sense to avoid that content where possible. Why do a thing you absolutely do not want to do?

If a person's dislike of content is so great they can't just ignore or muscle-through content they dislike and instead feel the need to either quit the game until the league is over or move to a league where that content does not exist - it's at least fair to say the person has a very strong opinion that's significantly affecting how they choose to play the game.

Had the content been Betrayal it would probably make a ton more sense and be easier to understand (I found that to be utterly abhorrent and moved to Standard to remove it, since you could not avoid or skip it). I can't quite fathom how Synthesis could cause that sort of behavior - but just because a person's own major problems with content aren't shared by me doesn't make them untrue or not valid.

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UnclePobatti a écrit :

just because a person's own major problems with content aren't shared by me doesn't make them untrue or not valid.

And yet the person you are defending is doing the same about the subject of this whole thread...

but maybe you disagree about the rise of power creep?

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

i still dont understand why we need gear more powerful than the previous gear in a game based around leagues which means our characters dont still have last leagues gear. You power creep items in order to force people to replace their existing gear in non league based games, its a necessary evil in that situation. We are not in that situation.

It's bait for the stardard players. They sit in standard with mirror tier gear and no intention of joining the current league. When GGG introduces new op league specific stuff they'll change their mind and join the league with the sole purpose of hauling back those new sweet op items.

well its not working, because i have tons of mirrored gear in standard and I havent even bothered to log into poe for the duration of this league, despite all these new items. Theres no point in owning gear thats worth more than about 50 chaos, you can faceroll everything for under 100 chaos total spend on your character. The gear fails to be an incentive to play and has failed to be an incentive to play for years because we dont have any meaningful content to use it in. Thats a result of power creep, them pursuing this line of making more and more powerful items that are more and more accessible has invalidated the concept of gear as a motivating factor in playing the game for more than a couple of days.

I played ambush for a full 3 months, the league before this one I played for about 2 days, didnt even bother logging in to this one for 5 minutes. A lot of that decline is at the door of power creep in our characters that hasnt been matched by exciting and challenging new content.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

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reprot9x a écrit :

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

i still dont understand why we need gear more powerful than the previous gear in a game based around leagues which means our characters dont still have last leagues gear. You power creep items in order to force people to replace their existing gear in non league based games, its a necessary evil in that situation. We are not in that situation.

It's bait for the stardard players. They sit in standard with mirror tier gear and no intention of joining the current league. When GGG introduces new op league specific stuff they'll change their mind and join the league with the sole purpose of hauling back those new sweet op items.

well its not working, because i have tons of mirrored gear in standard and I havent even bothered to log into poe for the duration of this league, despite all these new items. Theres no point in owning gear thats worth more than about 50 chaos, you can faceroll everything for under 100 chaos total spend on your character. The gear fails to be an incentive to play and has failed to be an incentive to play for years because we dont have any meaningful content to use it in. Thats a result of power creep, them pursuing this line of making more and more powerful items that are more and more accessible has invalidated the concept of gear as a motivating factor in playing the game for more than a couple of days.

I played ambush for a full 3 months, the league before this one I played for about 2 days, didnt even bother logging in to this one for 5 minutes. A lot of that decline is at the door of power creep in our characters that hasnt been matched by exciting and challenging new content.

Congrats if it doesn't bite on you but in general, it works. Take Demi for example. He played explicitly standard 24/7 and literally preached about standard. Suddenly legacy league allowed you to obtain pre-nerfed uniques which made him instantly leave standard with the quote "i'm going to farm the shit out of this league".

Many players share the same mindset like him. They play it for profits it will bring to standard but since the next league will have better bait, they will just get stuck in a never ending cycle unless they skip a league.


It GGG's bait for moving the standard population into the leagues.

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Head_less a écrit :

Then they fuck std players atlas so they never play std again, Genius.

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reprot9x a écrit :

Take Demi for example.

...seriously using demi as an example.

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robmafia a écrit :

...seriously using demi as an example.

Uhm, because he is fullblown standard player who took the bait?

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With the every update GGG converts their game more and more to RMT-based.

Every time they add more and more OP crap with lowest chance to obtain it.
If you find one - you wouldn't sell it for 1 chaos, obv, but you would check the market. And...

Like Unnatural Instinct jewel. Insanely OP and insanely rare. Unlike all other rare stuff, this one only grows in price (22ex atm).

What wise developers would do? Right - increase drop rate to fk up all RMT sellers and buyers.
But not GGG. Why?

Add here another problem: huge lack of players in Syntesis (at least - in the Nexus part).
GGG doesn't care about that too.
There is just no any good fractured items on the market with not insane prices.
Greatly lowered income of items = lowered competition in between sellers = prices goes crazy high.
Who would be able to pay 15+ex per item (and you need 3!) just for craft attempt?
Right - that one, who plays 16 hours per day (c) no doubt, lol.

And don't sell me BS about magic finding please. I have my own MF character with 59% sheet iiq.
Also, if it was so easy, then exalted has a cost of ~100c, but not 177c like now.
Not even talking, that MF goes more and more nerfed with every patch. Like rarity already means nothing. Completely nothing. And seems that quantity would be like that soon too.
GGG didn't want allow to players farm more currency? Why?
I hope, they do understand that bots are not affected by this nerfs completely?

I like PoE skills system, but the amount of RNG and grind just became crazy. It's just out of control long ago.
No any sane and usual player able to outfarm this and even non-usual one too.

All of that makes me think to install Grim Dawn, or Pagan Online or even Diablo 3 more often - still would be more enjoyable and less thoughts about "fine, another stuff for RMT released"

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reprot9x a écrit :

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robmafia a écrit :

...seriously using demi as an example.

Uhm, because he is fullblown standard player who took the bait?

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do you really think theyre designing their entire reward system around people like me and demi who actually care about standard tho? I hesitate to buy it, because getting items to take back to standard only means something if u care about standard, and they treat standard and its players like pieces of shit. They make almost no effort to keep us caring about standard, so to then base ur entire games power curve around people who care about standard enough to bring items back and value them there? I dunno man, I mean I get it, and ya maybe, but maybe not too.

I feel like they balance their game around leagues, entirely, and dont give a flying fuck about standard or anyone who plays there.I think they add the op items because its cheap, its like a shit horror movie that only knows how to generate its horror element through jump scares....


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BBBANNGGGGG AHHJHJJHGHGHGHGHGHGHH!!!!!!!

haha made u jump....


yep, shit film. Thats what I think their idea of exciting game development is now. They have no faith in how fun their gameplay is, they have no faith in how fun any of their new content is. Instead they have completely abandoned any asperations they have for making an actually good game that impresses people for simply "oh wow, a 1200 es chest piece, omg omg" gimmick jumpshock excitement that lasts a few minutes and then its gone, and now you need a 1500 es chest with supported by lvl30 controlled destruct to feel anything for the game again come next league.

I think thats why all their new league are dead within a couple of weeks, because they dont make a fun game, theyre scared of making a fun game. They made delve and that was fun, but they were scared to let us have the fun because that means we might abandon the rest of the game that they have no faith is actually fun. They were also scared that delve wasnt fun, they have no faith in delve, no faith in maps, and no faith in us to chose what we want to play. So they are completely trapped by a fear that their entire game is a pile of shit and all their players are fucking retards who cant be trusted to play the content they want to play. The answer is restrict access and then bribe players to play the content with op rewards. It all comes down to bribes, short lived gimmick shock value screenshots of op items, too much rewards and then restrict the content, restrict the t15 maps, restrict the delves, the guardians, just restrict everything and use cheap gimmicks to make it attractive. No faith in the content itself to be attractive, no faith in the diea anyone would just play the game because the game itself is fun, no faith that players are responsible enough to know how to enjoy themselves without ggg forcing them into certain content for specific amounts of access.

thats what I feel might be going on, fear and loathing, utter contempt for the players and no self belief in their own ability to make a fun game.