Ziggy on Herald of Agony and Pathfinder:

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FantasticMoose a écrit :

I do agree however that fixing poison by ignoring the actual poison mechanics seem strange.
At the very least the stacks could be based on poison damage done, instead of arbitrarily saying that a 1 damage poison is equal to a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 damage poison.

That´s how GGG is fixing things :(

Well we will see in practice but I don´t know how should I feel about this.

Might even play Delve because of it and make a build around it (:

I find it funny how everyone is going batshit with their speculations about how it'll be with minion nodes. Honestly? It won't get that much power from them. There isn't all that much minion damage on the tree, compared to other sources of damage. And at gem lvl 1 and 40 virulence stacks it already gets 400% increased damage, 80% increased attack speed and 80 to 120 flat phys.
Last time I checked, full on minion investment on the tree resulted in about 200% increased damage, probably less. So honestly, while at very high virulence, it won't make too much of a difference.

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FCK42 a écrit :

I find it funny how everyone is going batshit with their speculations about how it'll be with minion nodes. Honestly? It won't get that much power from them. There isn't all that much minion damage on the tree, compared to other sources of damage. And at gem lvl 1 and 40 virulence stacks it already gets 400% increased damage, 80% increased attack speed and 80 to 120 flat phys.
Last time I checked, full on minion investment on the tree resulted in about 200% increased damage, probably less. So honestly, while at very high virulence, it won't make too much of a difference.

You have to remember that the best minion nodes give flat damage (abyss jewels) that you can then scale to infinity and beyond.

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FantasticMoose a écrit :

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FCK42 a écrit :

I find it funny how everyone is going batshit with their speculations about how it'll be with minion nodes. Honestly? It won't get that much power from them. There isn't all that much minion damage on the tree, compared to other sources of damage. And at gem lvl 1 and 40 virulence stacks it already gets 400% increased damage, 80% increased attack speed and 80 to 120 flat phys.
Last time I checked, full on minion investment on the tree resulted in about 200% increased damage, probably less. So honestly, while at very high virulence, it won't make too much of a difference.

You have to remember that the best minion nodes give flat damage (abyss jewels) that you can then scale to infinity and beyond.

The crawler already gets a ton of flat damage, I even wrote that in that post. at lvl 1 and with 40 stacks 80 to 120 flat phys. It'll be quite hard to get close to that with abyss jewels.

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FCK42 a écrit :

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FantasticMoose a écrit :

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FCK42 a écrit :

I find it funny how everyone is going batshit with their speculations about how it'll be with minion nodes. Honestly? It won't get that much power from them. There isn't all that much minion damage on the tree, compared to other sources of damage. And at gem lvl 1 and 40 virulence stacks it already gets 400% increased damage, 80% increased attack speed and 80 to 120 flat phys.
Last time I checked, full on minion investment on the tree resulted in about 200% increased damage, probably less. So honestly, while at very high virulence, it won't make too much of a difference.

You have to remember that the best minion nodes give flat damage (abyss jewels) that you can then scale to infinity and beyond.

The crawler already gets a ton of flat damage, I even wrote that in that post. at lvl 1 and with 40 stacks 80 to 120 flat phys. It'll be quite hard to get close to that with abyss jewels.

Depends now on how much does level 20 gem give but a two 1x T1 minion phys damage Darkness Enthroned is already 60 extra physical damage.

The pathfinder node which spreads poison could make a cool Bear Trap poisoner if the radius is nice. It already technically works with Bino, but the radius is too short to make it pleasant to play.

Bear Trap very easily reaches 100K poison damage per trap.

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FCK42 a écrit :

I find it funny how everyone is going batshit with their speculations about how it'll be with minion nodes. Honestly? It won't get that much power from them. There isn't all that much minion damage on the tree, compared to other sources of damage. And at gem lvl 1 and 40 virulence stacks it already gets 400% increased damage, 80% increased attack speed and 80 to 120 flat phys.
Last time I checked, full on minion investment on the tree resulted in about 200% increased damage, probably less. So honestly, while at very high virulence, it won't make too much of a difference.

What's your suggestion? Go hybrid pathfinder with half ass personal damage and not the best crawler? I'd rather go necro and pick every minion damage node possible enabling the crawler completely. Because otherwise why are you even bothering going hybrid? Because it's more fun being able to shoot extra arrows?

A. Either you do a lot of damage yourself and you don't even need the crawler except for boss fights.
B. You invest into crawler who one shots everything and you focus on your own safety.

Alright after watching the video.

Assuming Ziggy had the virulence ascendancy passive allocated in the video.

To keep nearing 20 stacks it seems one would need to inflict about 2 poisons per second.
To keep nearing 30 stacks one needs about 4 poisons per second.
To keep nearing 40 stacks consistently, one needs to inflict about 8-10 poisons per second.

Keep in mind that in the video Ziggy is not going thru maps. You can get a fairly good shot of the crawler's mortar damage with high stacks when he gets towards the end of video with the crawler fighting kitava's heart with some resist chaos mod.

The power level looks to be about that of a buffed out flame golem with added damage, except unlike the flame golem the aoe is really high due to pathfinder node and so all barrages hits the target.

I am guessing the barrage skill itself also has a natural cooldown of 6s like the flame golem. This can be seen most clearly in 2:00-2:09 of the video where it starts the barrage at 2:02 and doesn't fire another one until 6 seconds later.

My guess is the herald going to be best as a supplementary skill particularily with viper strike since the crawler can clear trash but viper strike has the real dps needed to melt boss (not to mention poison proliferation might make it alot more viable for clearing packs even without the crawler).

For cheap starter weapons one can try quill rain or wasp's nest, and then transition to a gg rare late game.

A question I got on mind is whether or not Master Toxicist's Chaos Skill AoE affects the poison proliferation radius if one was using a chaos skill like viper strike. I'm guessing it should since ele proliferation is also affected by aoe increases.

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

Sorry... it's a video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ax1_cOgcjM

But at least you did make the link a proper URL. I'm a lazy ass and hate to have to copy/paste in a new browser tab. Now to get everyone to do this would be great (but I'm always nit-picking):

Herald of Agony & Pathfinder Rework | PATH OF EXILE 3.4 DELVE

But yes THANKS for sharing.


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