Ziggy on Herald of Agony and Pathfinder:

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erdelyii a écrit :

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FCK42 a écrit :

To quote ziggy during the video: "The Agony crawler, while at maximum virulence stacks will be almost as powerful as the strongest minions currently available to summoners, even without any minion investment"
I can see some crazy assassin or pathfinder stuff happening with that. Like... totally busted shit.

I'm curious to discover more about how powerful that is. It doesn't sound so powerful. What's a minion with no minion investment? lvl 20 raise zombie gem with no nodes or supports and ascendency, or something? Hmm.

I think you misread that. It's saying that with you the poisoner making ZERO minion investment outside of running the herald, when you are at 40 virulence stacks, the crawler is roughly equivilent in power to a summoner's minion with full investment. OFC, you'll only have a minion that strong when you are at 40 stacks, and you'll only have the one minion instead of the small force/army a real summoner has, but it's indicating the minion should be quite strong under those conditions without you having to invest in building the minion. At least that's the goal GGG has set for it's balancing point - we can't know for sure how good it is until we can use it.

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GoldDragon32 a écrit :

I think you misread that. It's saying that with you the poisoner making ZERO minion investment outside of running the herald, when you are at 40 virulence stacks, the crawler is roughly equivilent in power to a summoner's minion with full investment.

as a disclaimer - i have played very little of summoner builds and used this item very little - but i feel like, if what you just stated is true, then The Scourge will be a really hot item, considering it allows you to scale your own damage and your minions' damage in roughly equal measure, at least in theory.

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erdelyii a écrit :

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suszterpatt a écrit :

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1453R a écrit :

Looks like this old thing is about to come into prominence again.

Herald of Purity and Herald of Agony here both seem to be set up to deeply reward heavy support link investment, but it's hard to extensively support a reservation skill...unless, y'know, its reservation cost becomes fixed and ignores any/all support gem modifiers.

Legit curious to see what might come of this, especially given how easy it is to scale this thing quickly. Quill Rain with Tornado Shot > GMP > Chain > Faster Attacks - poison stuff forty times in less than a second, max out your 6L Crawler and watch it go to town. Could be a very interesting take indeed on the ol' Ranger w/Pet build that's otherwise been sorely lacking in PoE.

Herald of Agony + Herald of Purity + Minion supports. Hooooleeeee Jesus.

Ahh. Which Bow?

There is only one summoner bow. Null's inclination.

you don't need to use herald of agony with a bow

Some VERY high level brainstorming on a build for this. Use Voltaxic with Ball Lightning to poison. Then you can go Occy for nice CI synergies or something else with Baron Helm

Oculist with CI
Tree:
poeplanner

Voltaxic Rift
Ball Lightning > GMP > Poison Support > Curse on hit > Vulnerability > Projectile Weakness

The Coming Calamity
HoAg > GMP > Minion Damage > PPAD > Maim Support > Damage on Full Life Support (does the minion have life/will this work?) or Pierce


Nreco w/ Baron Helm
Tree:
poeplanner

Voltaxic Rift
Ball Lightning > GMP > Poison Support > Curse on hit > Vulnerability > Projectile Weakness

The Coming Calamity
HoAg > GMP > Minion Damage > Iron Grip > PPAD > Maim Support


Pathfinder w/ Baron Helm
Tree:
poeplanner

Voltaxic Rift
Ball Lightning > GMP > Poison Support > Curse on hit > Vulnerability > Projectile Weakness

The Coming Calamity
HoAg > GMP > Minion Damage > Iron Grip > PPAD > Maim Support >

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GoldDragon32 a écrit :

I think you misread that. It's saying that with you the poisoner making ZERO minion investment outside of running the herald, when you are at 40 virulence stacks, the crawler is roughly equivilent in power to a summoner's minion with full investment. OFC, you'll only have a minion that strong when you are at 40 stacks, and you'll only have the one minion instead of the small force/army a real summoner has, but it's indicating the minion should be quite strong under those conditions without you having to invest in building the minion. At least that's the goal GGG has set for it's balancing point - we can't know for sure how good it is until we can use it.

I did. Thanks for explaining.

I think Chrom just identified the bow in question.

Never fails to impress me how good people's item and mechanic knowledge is, throughout the thread.

it does have the minion tag however, so it will still benefit from all minion bonuses you can get from items, gems and passives. im sure someone is going to make something extremely nuts with it.

again keep in mind you don't need a bow, you only need to poison things fast enough to maintain its stacks to keep the minion as strong as it can be.

also keep in mind ziggyd showed off the gem at level 1, to which it says a maximum of 1 summoned agony crawler. i would be surprised if it could get more, but it is a possibility with gem lvls.

seems like if you really want to go all in with the crawler being your main source of damage you're best bet is to be rocking quill rain and basically just go full summoner. you probably don't even need to be a pathfinder with the new nodes at that point as the only real benefit it would be getting is the slower virulence decay, which it wouldn't need with such a fast attack speed.

right now it would look like occultist would rock this fully supported herald super well. im just curious about the minion itself. does it inherit base damage from you or whats the deal there. like ziggy says its dmg is 60/40 phys/chaos, but if you were to wear a piece of gear to give more phys conversion to chaos, does that affect the crawler as well or just yourself and the crawler remains completely separate because its a "minion"? i assume its that way

Does Spectral Throw with Arakaali's Fang produce baby spiders?

with herald of agony crawler, it doesn't look like the minion has a life bar or can take damage. does that mean it can or cannot benefit from 'damage on full life support'?

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adghar a écrit :

as a disclaimer - i have played very little of summoner builds and used this item very little - but i feel like, if what you just stated is true, then The Scourge will be a really hot item, considering it allows you to scale your own damage and your minions' damage in roughly equal measure, at least in theory.

I see this as being played in one of two ways:
1) You do full self cast damage and the crawler is a minor dps support
2) You with specters (and guardian) play support and have the crawler do all the dps.

In either case I don't see the claw as being the most effect for these; you'd effectively be limited to spectral throw or frost blades. For 1 there are better claws and for 2 bow skills beat these hands down to apply mass poison IMO.

Also besides the Voltaxic Rift + Ball Lightning that I posted earlier there's also Volkuur's Guidance to convert spells to proc poison.

I don't think this will work, but if totems can proc virulence another option is to use Siege Ballista with a Quill Rain