I "wasted" aprox. 12 shaper sets now, to try and tackle Uber Elder with this build.
And allthough people in this thread claim to have taken him down even deathless (grats on your dodging skills), i don't think this build is Uber Elder viable. The dmg mitigation is not enough and/or the leech doesn't suffice to get back to full hp fast enough. Respectivly, you need to dodge stuff and run away, do that for 2-3 secs and you are down to like 4 blades. But the fight is too hectic to have the time to spin back to 10 while leeching off of your vulnerable target. In the meantime the next attack is flying your way, but you are just at 50% hp.
Plus, BV can be laggy at times, which got me killed too often for my taste.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not an experienced Uber Elder killer, but the dmg numbers of this build looked promising and i think the dmg is completly fine for the fight (even without GG gear).
But you will get hit and recovering from that is too slow imo.
I tried a lot with swapping gear (Kaoms roots, more life, swapping pantheon).
Take a look at my char "SchnitzelSpecht" if you think "this guy's gear is probably ass".
However, and this is a big positive thing, this build is absolutly nice for the rest of the content.
Shaper guardian maps, Shaper (becomes fairly easy), some of the "tougher" top tier map bosses, even Hall of the Grandmaster (if you get a Balefire for those annoying max block chars).
And Uber Atziri! Which made me really happy, since i tried to down her for several leagues now, but never had the right char to do so. Be aware though, her 1% dmg reflect will kill you if you spin to 10 blades and push your flasks, so plan and react accordingly (Soul of Yugul helps a bit).
All in all a really nice build that does all the content really well, except Uber Elder.
If you are looking for a char that can do especially that encounter, and you are not super experienced with the fight (or never done it), look for something beefier.
You are right. This is not the best build for uber elder. It's just how the fight works and how close you have to be to hit with BV. All the degen ground effects nibbling at your mana if you have MoM don't help either. Sure you can burst through the stages but then there are the immunity phases. Unfortunately OP has not provided many options for the fight, most likely because it wasn't in the game when the build started out.
That being said this build has so much damage you can easily give up half of it, still plow through everything and have great defenses. Some options are:
- Get Paragon of Calamity instead of Beacon of Ruin
- Get even more life on tree (Purity of Flesh, more jewel sockets)
- Get Phase Acrobatics
- Get a defensive Watcher's Eye (in combination with an aura)
- Get rid of MoM if you have to (degen effects)
- Use Loreweave instead of Inpulsa
- Use a Helmet with the Redblade mod (damage taken as fire)
- Use a Shield (lots of options here)
- Use Kaom's Roots
- Use an Elder Belt (inc recovery rate, %-max life)
- Use defensive flasks (Basalt, Stibnite, Aquamarine)
- Run a defensive aura (Purities, Vitality)
- Run Vaal Grace (duration is longer than soul gain prevention)
- Run Arctic Armour
- Run a Decoy Totem (supported so it survives longer)
I am sure I forgot something and you wont fit all of it into one build but you get the gist of it. There is so much room in the build to make you tanky enough to get through the fight. Sure it is still a hard fight, given the mechanics the build uses and what gets thrown at you, but it is doable for sure.
Dernière édition par Monti_Jones#4875, le 24 juil. 2018 à 13:58:42
(sorry i am very new to the game). where and how am i supposed to get all these gems and gears? for example, i looked up some of the gems and on the wiki it says that some of the gems are not available for the witch. so do i just get them from drops or buy them some other way?
You are right. This is not the best build for uber elder. It's just how the fight works and how close you have to be to hit with BV. All the degen ground effects nibbling at your mana if you have MoM don't help either. Sure you can burst through the stages but then there are the immunity phases. Unfortunately OP has not provided many options for the fight, most likely because it wasn't in the game when the build started out.
That being said this build has so much damage you can easily give up half of it, still plow through everything and have great defenses. Some options are:
- Get Paragon of Calamity instead of Beacon of Ruin
- Get even more life on tree (Purity of Flesh, more jewel sockets)
- Get Phase Acrobatics
- Get a defensive Watcher's Eye (in combination with an aura)
- Get rid of MoM if you have to (degen effects)
- Use Loreweave instead of Inpulsa
- Use a Helmet with the Redblade mod (damage taken as fire)
- Use a Shield (lots of options here)
- Use Kaom's Roots
- Use an Elder Belt (inc recovery rate, %-max life)
- Use defensive flasks (Basalt, Stibnite, Aquamarine)
- Run a defensive aura (Purities, Vitality)
- Run Vaal Grace (duration is longer than soul gain prevention)
- Run Arctic Armour
- Run a Decoy Totem (supported so it survives longer)
I am sure I forgot something and you wont fit all of it into one build but you get the gist of it. There is so much room in the build to make you tanky enough to get through the fight. Sure it is still a hard fight, given the mechanics the build uses and what gets thrown at you, but it is doable for sure.
Absolutly, but at that point i might as well play a different build, right? :)
It's really not that big of a deal, that the build as in the guide can't really handle this encounter. I just thought i'll let others know.
But all your points are valid and i second that.
Dernière édition par goopQ#5930, le 24 juil. 2018 à 16:27:15
(sorry i am very new to the game). where and how am i supposed to get all these gems and gears? for example, i looked up some of the gems and on the wiki it says that some of the gems are not available for the witch. so do i just get them from drops or buy them some other way?
I'm very new as well (starting playing at the beginning of incursion), and the most important lesson to learn early on is how important the economy of this game is to playing. poe.trade is indispensable. It's where I've gotten the recommended gear and some of my gems. Instead of leveling blade vortex to 20 and then corrupting it to hopefully get to level 21, I just bought a level 21 with like 18% quality for 4 chaos. You can be extremely lazy and practical by using the trading system. I don't know how new you are exactly, but I found this guide very helpful.
Can someone please tell me what kind of dagger I should aim for? I just bought the scepter because I thought my DPS was too low. Should I aim for a double-gain, similar to my scepter? Thanks.
I "wasted" aprox. 12 shaper sets now, to try and tackle Uber Elder with this build.
And allthough people in this thread claim to have taken him down even deathless (grats on your dodging skills), i don't think this build is Uber Elder viable. The dmg mitigation is not enough and/or the leech doesn't suffice to get back to full hp fast enough. Respectivly, you need to dodge stuff and run away, do that for 2-3 secs and you are down to like 4 blades. But the fight is too hectic to have the time to spin back to 10 while leeching off of your vulnerable target. In the meantime the next attack is flying your way, but you are just at 50% hp.
Plus, BV can be laggy at times, which got me killed too often for my taste.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not an experienced Uber Elder killer, but the dmg numbers of this build looked promising and i think the dmg is completly fine for the fight (even without GG gear).
But you will get hit and recovering from that is too slow imo.
I tried a lot with swapping gear (Kaoms roots, more life, swapping pantheon).
Take a look at my char "SchnitzelSpecht" if you think "this guy's gear is probably ass".
However, and this is a big positive thing, this build is absolutly nice for the rest of the content.
Shaper guardian maps, Shaper (becomes fairly easy), some of the "tougher" top tier map bosses, even Hall of the Grandmaster (if you get a Balefire for those annoying max block chars).
And Uber Atziri! Which made me really happy, since i tried to down her for several leagues now, but never had the right char to do so. Be aware though, her 1% dmg reflect will kill you if you spin to 10 blades and push your flasks, so plan and react accordingly (Soul of Yugul helps a bit).
All in all a really nice build that does all the content really well, except Uber Elder.
If you are looking for a char that can do especially that encounter, and you are not super experienced with the fight (or never done it), look for something beefier.
I find the commentary regarding uber elder viability interesting. Think there is always a balance between boss killing builds and map clearing builds. In that regards, I believe this build has a decent balance.
I don't know many builds (limited knowledge) that can stream roll uber elder while not really caring about the fight's mechanics. For some reason, traps comes to mind as boss killers and even then, they have to dodge and stuff (most of the trap builds I have seen have low life pools).
I have killed uber elder like 7 times now. First time, it took me 5 sets (killed before in standard but didn't really know the fight). All my other kills have been in one set. It all comes down to practice.
Feel weird saying this but there really isn't too much to dodge (I don't wear kaoms in the fight). I think it feels like a lot because there is so much happening on screen. But if you can strip down the mechanics to its core, there is only like 2ish things happening at any one point you should care about. And most of the dodging is literally like moving 2 cms from where you are currently standing. You also have way more time react then what the action on the screen makes you think.
Reflecting back on my first kill and the 5 sets, I was overreacting to everything that was happening on screen and fixated on doing damage regardless with what the bosses were doing. Not comfortable with doing damage while shaper is firing balls, don't, wait until he is shooting the beam (cant remember, 3 or 4 balls and then beam). Only thing pressing to kill are those things that slow the degen/slow.
Also, vaal bv is your friend, should only use in sticky situations. I have used it to push the bosses to the next phase where the floor has been crappy, clear the portals and or used it to get mana regeneration. Since the first kill, I have not used it for as extra damage where I have no issues damaging the boss.
Dernière édition par tMShubar#3243, le 25 juil. 2018 à 00:29:13
I just made the move to the warlord's mark elder ring with mark of the shaper, and I'm having a hard time finding places to get resists. How do you guys do it? Everything I can see for an upgrade is over 3 ex...
I "wasted" aprox. 12 shaper sets now, to try and tackle Uber Elder with this build.
And allthough people in this thread claim to have taken him down even deathless (grats on your dodging skills), i don't think this build is Uber Elder viable. The dmg mitigation is not enough and/or the leech doesn't suffice to get back to full hp fast enough. Respectivly, you need to dodge stuff and run away, do that for 2-3 secs and you are down to like 4 blades. But the fight is too hectic to have the time to spin back to 10 while leeching off of your vulnerable target. In the meantime the next attack is flying your way, but you are just at 50% hp.
Plus, BV can be laggy at times, which got me killed too often for my taste.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not an experienced Uber Elder killer, but the dmg numbers of this build looked promising and i think the dmg is completly fine for the fight (even without GG gear).
But you will get hit and recovering from that is too slow imo.
I tried a lot with swapping gear (Kaoms roots, more life, swapping pantheon).
Take a look at my char "SchnitzelSpecht" if you think "this guy's gear is probably ass".
However, and this is a big positive thing, this build is absolutly nice for the rest of the content.
Shaper guardian maps, Shaper (becomes fairly easy), some of the "tougher" top tier map bosses, even Hall of the Grandmaster (if you get a Balefire for those annoying max block chars).
And Uber Atziri! Which made me really happy, since i tried to down her for several leagues now, but never had the right char to do so. Be aware though, her 1% dmg reflect will kill you if you spin to 10 blades and push your flasks, so plan and react accordingly (Soul of Yugul helps a bit).
All in all a really nice build that does all the content really well, except Uber Elder.
If you are looking for a char that can do especially that encounter, and you are not super experienced with the fight (or never done it), look for something beefier.
Some tweaks have to be made to optimize for uber elder kills, for anyone that's interested you can checkout my character
Dernière édition par achenpach#4357, le 25 juil. 2018 à 03:21:42
Hi im leaving my feedback... Atziri's have 2% elemental reflect from pasive + curse reflect (= no warlord mark no leech) its really a pain for me and "Soul of Yugul" is not too much help... Another point is the Shaper, he cannot be shocked, then become inpulsa's heart unless. Are you using another body armour to shaper fight?
