POE Multiboxing 434% IR - Doing it by the rules - [Stream]

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penguins a écrit :

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orzewoi a écrit :

Multiboxing will ruin this game sooner or later

I find this an interesting idea. If guilds became more popular and people planned more for farming would the game be ruined? The reason we say the fact that it is "legal" matters is because a group of people can simulate, well actually do better, the effect that this person is having. If the only impediment to the economy crashing and burning is people being scared to work together, there are probably bigger problems then multiboxing. If 6 people that like to play together each leave one character at a good level for doing this then they are no longer consuming items on those characters (assuming hardcore where death happens during progression). They would be doing something similar to multiboxers. It is less per person but that just means it would take more people doing the action of farming lower level bosses for your predictions to come true.

If there is a problem, it has to be the ability to get chaos at all like this not multiboxers. I don't think there necessarily is as having a safe way to get chaos still doesn't seem as productive as taking 6 people into a higher level map. It seems like this is the equivalent of doing Meph runs or something like that to create a base level of currency (in that game items) to work with for people that don't yet have the ability to do higher maps.

The thing is guild still require 5 different player.right now it 6 person iir that only 1 loot.
In reality rarely any people give out their drop.

The later date is cut-throat.When cut-throat come out if multiboxing isnt fixed people can just keyclone and invade people with 6 freezepulse shadow and farm currency like that.

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penguins a écrit :

I find this an interesting idea. If guilds became more popular and people planned more for farming would the game be ruined? The reason we say the fact that it is "legal" matters is because a group of people can simulate, well actually do better, the effect that this person is having. If the only impediment to the economy crashing and burning is people being scared to work together, there are probably bigger problems then multiboxing. If 6 people that like to play together each leave one character at a good level for doing this then they are no longer consuming items on those characters (assuming hardcore where death happens during progression). They would be doing something similar to multiboxers. It is less per person but that just means it would take more people doing the action of farming lower level bosses for your predictions to come true.

If there is a problem, it has to be the ability to get chaos at all like this not multiboxers. I don't think there necessarily is as having a safe way to get chaos still doesn't seem as productive as taking 6 people into a higher level map. It seems like this is the equivalent of doing Meph runs or something like that to create a base level of currency (in that game items) to work with for people that don't yet have the ability to do higher maps.

First of all, they would still have to split drop between 5 people.
Secondly, the biggest adventage of multiaccounting is that you can get team of trusted 6 people (your alts) wheneve you want. When you play with normal players, sometimes they aren't there, sometimes they're afk, sometimes they have to do something in town.
Thirdly, there isn't anything wrong grouping with other real playes. It's fun. But grouping with youself (your alts), when it's super effective - it totally kills the multiplayer spirit of game.

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velrac a écrit :

I just don't understand how GGG states they removed currency completely as a reward for races because any amount of xtra orbs would ruin the economy and yet allow things like this to continue from closed beta to open beta.

Because they don't think this problem is large enough to be fixed yet. This is why more people need to multibox so that we get a quick change.

skipped to a random part in some vod to see how this works, and heard them talking about how grinding maps/leveling is tedious or feels like work.

then i watch him running the same boss over and over on normal on default league. apparently doing it for weeks? yeah..

It's hard to believe that this is still an issue. I've been saying it since POEhelper was unleashed on us...these recipes need fixing (and not just the matching names one...)

You don't even need to run mutliple accounts or do oversoul runs for this. When you know every single rare is not worth identifying, you get sets for chaos FAST. You shouldn't be nearly guaranteed chaos orbs, limited only by ring/amulet drops, for doing content so beyond trivialized that you can do it blindfolded, 1-handed, possibly while sleeping.

GGG- please change the chaos orb recipes

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Tagz a écrit :

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KillerKG a écrit :

All i saw was there was some dumb ass with lvl 1 Rangers in act 2 Cruel, and it seems to me that shouldn't be possible Period. Since it is, either the Devs Seriously overlooked very basic game balance and loop holes, or they are ok with it. Which to me is shocking, plain and simple.

So Damn straight i will report if i think somethings not on the up and up.
I suppose i shouldn't expect much from a generation that thinks everything is owed to them and that everything should be easy, and shouldn't have to work for anything..

I've stayed out for the most part, but when you act like a child and call me a dumb ass without even checking your facts I feel like I have no choice. That is Vaal farming in normal, not cruel. It's stated on the stream and i mention it multiple times every time I stream. To get to cruel you need to be lvl 20 minimum. To get to act 2 normal you can rush a player through in 30 minutes.

What generation are you talking about... Do I sound like a kid? Some of you should put as much effort into just playing the game whatever way you enjoy it, as you do trying to convince others that they should play your way, you'd probably have a lot more fun. Just my 2 cents.

Hmn. My brother is the one who noticed you in town and called me over from merciless to have a look. I really thought he was in cruel, or that was in cruel when i ported over, my mistake, it was like 3 am.

I haven't watched your steams and know nothing about you personally, but as far as what you are doing, well you know how i feel about that. My last response was more aimed at the really insightful guy who replied with "cause you're dumb" and his obvious mindset.

I hate cheaters, and in my opinion, what you are doing is a form of cheating, or exploiting a loop hole. I know millions of gamers do it, and will do it without hesitation in any game and have since forever. I personally despise it. I am fully capable of doing what you're doing, i just choose not to. I didn't even dupe gold in Diablo 1 even though it was effortless to do. I just played the game.

I really really honestly don't even care to know that these types of things are happening, it instantly ruins the game for me. I was elated with this game until i saw this and now the joy is kinda ruined. So thanks for that. It's really great to know that currency supply and the economy are false right out of the gate while the game is still in "beta", and that things that should probably at least take quite a bit more time to achieve and fill out the economy are un-naturally inflated - even by One guy doing it, let alone all the other people who will do it because they've watched your stream. GG.

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Exmorda a écrit :

You don't even need to run mutliple accounts or do oversoul runs for this. When you know every single rare is not worth identifying, you get sets for chaos FAST.

And you know what? You can do it even faster, if you're using multiboxing on top of that.

That's the main problem. No matter, how effectively you can do something by playing solo - you will do it even better by multiaccounting.
You guys better get used to multiboxing. Because, unless GGG does something about that, soon multiaccounting will be mandatory to be the best in this game.

You want that good item? Sorry, multiaccounter can pay more than you. You want to be good in pvp? Sorry, ridiculously rich chars of multiaccounters totally dominate it. That's the future of PoE.

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orzewoi a écrit :

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Exmorda a écrit :

You don't even need to run mutliple accounts or do oversoul runs for this. When you know every single rare is not worth identifying, you get sets for chaos FAST.

And you know what? You can do it even faster, if you're using multiboxing on top of that.

That's the main problem. No matter, how effectively you can do something by playing solo - you will do it even better by multiaccounting.
You guys better get used to multiboxing. Because, unless GGG does something about that, soon multiaccounting will be mandatory to be the best in this game.

You want that good item? Sorry, multiaccounter can pay more than you. You want to be good in pvp? Sorry, ridiculously rich chars of multiaccounters totally dominate it. That's the future of PoE.

^Exactly this. I was already saying to myself WTF when people are asking for 10 Exalt and 10 GCP for items. Really?? I'm lvl 73 and have two other chars in the 30's and 40's and have had only 1 GCP drop for me yet. And i've never even SEEN en exalted. These items seemingly should be far more rare, and maybe a year or so later only then come to a point where someone can if they work hard or trade hard amass that kind of currency.

By the time a normal player would get that much, playing the game as intended, things will be going for stacks of GCP for items, and they might have like 5 GCP that took them months and months to find, and it will be worth a stack of Wisdom scrolls. GG assholes.

And then those multiaccounters, who have 6links 20% q spells and exalted stats on everything will come to this forum and start saying:
"GGG, this game is too easy. Harder mobs, please"
or "Lol, you have only 5k HP and 80% resists? No wonder, you're dying so fast"
or "stop crying, 400 fusings is not that hard to get, l2p noob".

Honestly, and it pains me to say because innocent people get punished. If i were the Dev, ( ideally this wouldn't be happening or at least if it came about that it was i would take immediate measures ) But since this is now in the open, I would:

#1. Wipe the servers
#2. Implement new rules for recipes. EX: Only one recipe trade in per level, or higher level recipes only available at lvl 60 and above. Or a chance to fail on a recipe and receive a lower level currency ect..

And if not wipe the servers, immediately do something to stop this from happening until a suitable fix can be found. IE: Disable higher level recipes all together for now. Although the damage is most likely already done. I would rather there be a full wipe period myself And disabling of higher level recipes until new rules are made and implemented.

I'd do it in a heartbeat if it were my game that i spent years of my life making.