Harbinger language/symbol translation

The Final one is (two-sided)

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- The mod is Leech, Life Regeneration.

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locobilbo a écrit :

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BlowITA a écrit :

I don't know why, but to me, the orange text in item descriptions looks more like a list of mods affecting some entity (you?, your harbingers?, the enemy harbingers?)

Yes I think that was the consensus of many of us before Bex's announcement today, in which she states:

'When arranged in a specific order, the flavour text from the Harbinger unique items tells the history of the Harbingers, and what led to their arrival in Wraeclast.'

Now that you mention it, my guess is that each line still are mods of the item, but you take the ending symbol of each line and combine them to get the "history of the Harbingers".

My current guess:

Flow Untethered: space and time gods (space, time, gods)
Tempest's Binding: following the orders issued by GoD (nova?, direction, GoD, arcane?/cast)
Fracturing Spinner: kept fighting (fight, stop, fight)
Unshattered Will: until they were imprisoned (lose, stop, prison)
Enmity Divine: [GoD,] refusing to being imprisoned (stop, target, prison, arcane?/cast)
Rippling Thoughts: [issued] destruction upon Wraeclast (fight, target, over time?, Wraeclast)

Based on all the symbols in the google docs, I have a guess as to the harbinger's backstory. Thanks to Bex, we know the uniques tell a story of the harbingers and why they are here. We know the beast is involved somehow, and we know that their "God of Domination" (GoD) plays a key roll.

Let us assume for a moment that GoD is a deity. GoD was imprisoned by the beast the same way the other gods were. As such, I propose the following translations of the text on the unique items. This translation is based on the google doc (link is in the original post).

Flow Untethered:
"GoD uses his manipulation on all creatures in dream.
GoD uses his manipulation on all creatures in time.
Our faithful GoD is ascending into a GoD of manipulation"

The Tempest's Binding:
"The beast spread a nova through all time,
Placing an ailment on GoD's power.
Our faithful GoD is now imprisoned, becoming simply a GoD.
Our faithful GoD is now shattered, becoming a GoD of the arcane"

The Fracturing Spinner:
"Our GoD was one with the creatures and the land.
Now our GoD is one with a temporal prison.
Our faithful GoD has shattered the creatures of our land"

(The last sentence is fairly literal based on the symbolism. I take it's meaning to reference how GoD's imprisonment prevents him from manipulating the creatures, in essence causing their destruction)

The Enmity Divine:
"Our GoD's brutality lead to his imprisonment.
Our GoD of the arcane hungers for expansion.
However, GoD was contained in an unbreakable prison.
Our focused GoD of the arcane hungers to become a faithful GoD of the arcane."

The Unshattered Will:
"The beast was dead throughout all time.
GoD delivered a brutal strike to his prison.
GoD's will is not broken."

The Rippling Thoughts:
"Our faithful GoD gives all creatures in the land.
Our faithful GoD has a hunger for expansion.
Our faithful GoD will never lose focus,
a faithful focus on wraeclast."

The Beachhead:
"The faithful GoD will shatter all the land,
bringing ruin to Wraeclast."

In short, the uniques tell a story of creatures who were once inhabitants of the world of dreams, or maps. They were capable of bending and manipulating the creatures of that world to their will. However, when Sin came along and created the beast, their deity was sealed away. The harbingers attributed this to his brutality. Throughout his imprisonment, the GoD became a master of the arcane. This explains why the harbingers can both manipulate creatures and cast spells. Eventually, upon the death of the beast, the GoD broke free, allowing him to spread his influence once more. Desiring for more than just the domain of maps, GoD set his sights on wraeclast, threatening it's destruction.

Consider the similarities between the harbinger's abilities and the Shaper (as pointed out by someone earlier, I forget who). It is very likely that the Shaper encountered the GoD while exploring the maps. This is most likely where the Shaper learned all of his abilities from, and how the GoD came to learn of wraeclast. This in turn provided the motivation for his expansion.

The Shaper's actions are threatening the destruction and stability of the maps, the GoD's actions are now threatening the destruction and stability of wraeclast.

These are my thoughts on the subject. Please comment/elaborate, as these opinions are still incomplete, and my translations could use some work.

Edit: I messed up the order of the shield (unshattered will) and staff (enmity divine). Though switching the two shouldn't matter, as the staff explains what happened to the GoD while he was imprisoned.

wow amazing work man!

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julios80 a écrit :

wow amazing work man!

This wouldn't have gone so far if all these people weren't collaborating on those symbols together. Thank them. Personally I feel no motivation left, this thread now looks like a plagiarism because someone else on reddit was two days faster.

I didn't know about the reddit person and his post regarding this. My apologies if my work is similar to his.

I did say that my translation was based on the symbols in the google docs. I should've been clearer and indicated that my post was entirely based on all the research done by the rest of the community, and not just the symbols.

I'm sorry I didn't give full credit, I didn't intend to copy anybody. I'll make sure I'm more diligent in the future.

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Manondorf a écrit :

I didn't know about the reddit person and his post regarding this. My apologies if my work is similar to his.

I did say that my translation was based on the symbols in the google docs. I should've been clearer and indicated that my post was entirely based on all the research done by the rest of the community, and not just the symbols.

I'm sorry I didn't give full credit, I didn't intend to copy anybody. I'll make sure I'm more diligent in the future.

No, its not you Manondorf, its me :) I stepped in happily saying that I've cracked the symbol structure, but now I found out that another person on reddit was faster making me look like a fraud, like i stole his findings and presented as mine own, though that's not the case. Thats what probably some who use reddit were thinking all along

has anyone tried to summon all the harbingers at the portal?

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Iangyratu a écrit :

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Toshis8 a écrit :

Personally I feel no motivation left, this thread now looks like a plagiarism because someone else on reddit was two days faster.

Hey, stop this bullshit. You did a great job. I saw at least one more person figuring this out on reddit that day, pretty sure many people figured it out independently. And you're the only one who decided to share your thoughts with the forum community and even has drawn all these symbols.

...now go back to your work on the symbols.:D

I don't reddit, and I had no idea about the language until I googled and found your post. I agree with this guy though. Come back to work!

Edit: Also, the translation and the stuff about the shaper is both very interesting! Amazing job!

I've produced what I think is a much more accurate translation.
There are still some kinks in it, but I think the overall theme should be correct.
Note that the name of each unique neatly corresponds to the events described on it (except for The Fracturing Spinner, but I had trouble with that one so it's probably wrong)

The Flow Untethered

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God built a portal to journey to maps/dreams
God built a portal to journey through time
God's faithful empowered his portal

The Tempest's Binding

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When the Beast's life began
God was weakened and shrunken
God's faithful built a prison for him
God's faithful scattered God's soul

The Fracturing Spinner

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God's journey's land
God's eternal prison
God's faithful dispersed from the journey's land

The Unshattered Will

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When the Beast's life ended
God dealt a savage blow to his prison
God's will was not broken

The Enmity Divine

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God attacked his prison
God's soul was growing hungry
But God's prison was not broken
As God's soul regained its power, he hungered for the souls of his faithful

The Rippling Thoughts

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God's faithful journeyed to the land
God's faithful opened the portal
God's faithful looked for a place to hide
The faithful saw Wraeclast

The Beachhead flavor text can be interpreted as either a brief summary of their backstory

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God's Faithful dispersed from the land
And will conquer Wraeclast

Or as a literal description of the map

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God's Faithful disperse from this land
To conquer Wraeclast