Logout-macros, Logging out needs to go

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Phrazz a écrit :

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Zakaluka a écrit :

Here's some history for you. God says (as far as you're concerned) that logging out is okay.

Chris Wilson's most detailed responses about immediate logout

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Chris a écrit :

We want our fights to have large swings of damage and to cause a rush of adrenaline in the player. If the game didn't allow you to drop instantly then we'd have to dumb down the fights so much. We've tried it.

What I fail to see, is why allowing log-outs generates more "rush of adrenaline"? Doesn't it generate less? I am all for dangerous bosses, but I fail to see how this makes instant logout "fair". If you know the mechanics, have a good build and good gear, there are VERY few dangers that can kill you in this game, unless YOU screw up. And if YOU screw up in hardcore mode, you SHOULD be dead. That's the whole point of hardcore, isn't it?

Or else, "overtuning" the bosses, as some might call it, creates a very bad hardcore experience, as some deaths might seem VERY unfair. Making instant logout the "norm" is like begging for deaths that seems unfair.

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Phrazz a écrit :

Or else, "overtuning" the bosses, as some might call it, creates a very bad hardcore experience, as some deaths might seem VERY unfair. Making instant logout the "norm" is like begging for deaths that seems unfair.

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Zakaluka a écrit :

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Phrazz a écrit :

Or else, "overtuning" the bosses, as some might call it, creates a very bad hardcore experience, as some deaths might seem VERY unfair. Making instant logout the "norm" is like begging for deaths that seems unfair.

I went into a great deal of detail on this and I guess you didn't read what I wrote, discouraging. The bosses aren't overtuned, if you get them by themselves. In fewer words: they can become lethal when other random factors come into play. You have to have knowledge, awareness, and an ability to make rapid snap decisions. I prefer that immensely to the completely predictable rifts of diablo 3.

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Chris a écrit :

I played hardcore d2 for many years. I pressed alt-F4 once every few days on average. I cannot imagine an Action RPG design where it's blocked. We discussed this heavily when designing PoE. I'd love to find a solution (because I agree it's bad in principle), but being able to "Nope" out of situations drastically changes a lot about the game.

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Chrom a écrit :

Simple solution: In HC you can only logout in town.

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seanxjohnson a écrit :

Do you really care how other people play the game? If you hate logout macro in HC then don't use it. Also, from the look of all your characters, you don't even play HC so I don't understand why you're posting this.

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laycast a écrit :

The problem is that the game is fundamentally designed around people logging out instantly.

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ShowUs a écrit :

You need to go.

Logout macros are here to stay and I applaud GGG for taking actions to make their game challenging.