GGG's Balance Team is a Laughing Stock

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Druga1757 a écrit :

Well, technically, I could just BUY achievement. I can buy boss kills, gg items, challenges, without putting in nearly as many hours as someone else doing it themselves.

Thank you economy and player interaction!

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Gilgamesjh a écrit :

When they nerf Coc to the ground in all possible ways, half the player base is going to think it's the best thing since sliced bread, the other half is going to threaten to quit the game.

Sounds balanced to me, hmm?

However, as this discussion is proof of, there is not one single agreement on how the game should be balanced, and most of the arguments are not about balance, but about future direction of the game...

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

Balance is the wrong term for many of the issues people bring up. The experience point changes to higher levels is one. That has nothing to do with it. That's a design choice to slow down progress past 90. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean you can label it a balance problem.

There is one huge balance problem I see with the Lab:

Armor+regen trivialize traps. ES doesn't do much, but it helps. Evasion does absolutely nothing. That's a balance issue.

That makes some builds far less able than others. While typically that doesn't matter much, putting it in the way of character development makes it matter a whole lot.

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innervation a écrit :

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Shagsbeard a écrit :

Balance is the wrong term for many of the issues people bring up. The experience point changes to higher levels is one. That has nothing to do with it. That's a design choice to slow down progress past 90. You might not like it, but that doesn't mean you can label it a balance problem.

There is one huge balance problem I see with the Lab:

Armor+regen trivialize traps. ES doesn't do much, but it helps. Evasion does absolutely nothing. That's a balance issue.

That makes some builds far less able than others. While typically that doesn't matter much, putting it in the way of character development makes it matter a whole lot.

Really good points all around. The exp curve is a design decision. I'd agree though that balance could/should be better. They take too long to smack down super OP builds (another design decision - in the sense that they decided that there is a natural level of imbalance that is acceptable). I'm also in favor of incrementally increasing the damage of the least used skills incrementally, just 5 or 10% each patch that they remain wildly underused.

In their defense, I'd say it's ok that skills and builds have cycles of being more/less powerful than other things as the game evolves. But the gaps in power level are too big, and the cycles last for years instead of months.

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AkuTenshiiZero a écrit :

The white knighting here is god damn palpable.

You seem to have missed the fundamental fact that a game is not a job. I'm perfectly happy to put in some effort into a game, hell if I wasn't then I'd just be watching TV, no point to an interactive medium if you're not interacting, right? But PoE just demands way too much.

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LoPan a écrit :

The thing about most of these "super op builds" is they require a huge investment to pull off. Why shouldn't a 1000k ex build destroy maps? If it were a build that required less than 5 ex and it was 2 minute t15 clearing I would agree but rly the only build even partially on point w that mentality would be CoC discharge and even that requires at least 20ex to be effective like that, and from what everyone's saying it's being nerfed again. So I still see the majority of balance complaints coming from bitter sub par build users who can't stand to see other peoples builds excelling.