Melee is the worst bullshit ever in poe

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JohnNamikaze a écrit :

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goetzjam a écrit :

Still haven't heard a single way to fix melee just random ideas that work in other ARPG's that won't work in PoE.

Well, GGG already added an inherited mechanic to dual wielding a while back that started to improve melee.


"Dual Wielding automatically grants 10% More Attack Speed, 20% More Attack Physical damage and 15% Block Chance."



Now we just a bit more buff for dual wielding's inherited mechanic, add one-hand melee weapon's inherited mechanic, add two-hand melee weapon's inherited mechanic.


As for the defensive portion, Energy Shield (just having 1 ES, you already gain the mechanic) already grants a 50% chance to avoid being stunned as long you have ES up. Evasion also gives a chance to avoid taking critical strikes from attacks. Armor is just......armor, so this one needs a unique inherited mechanic like the other two defense type. These inherited mechanics have been here for a while now, but this is something GGG can do to improve upon melee characters.

So the base is there to add unique aspects to melee, but it isn't implemented?

I say increase the dual wield block bonus, give melee kickass nodes in the mard\duelist areas and make armor not only reduce physical damage like to does not, but decrease a flat percentage of crit damage taken or something unique.

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Legatus1982 a écrit :

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goetzjam a écrit :

that is why I don't play in a HC league.

Highlighted the portion illustrating why your opinion is not at all relevant in discussions involving character survivability (IE, all melee discussions).

That's such a lame argument, if it was called on you you would have been full "nice ad hominem no data full subjective attack gg can we go back to relevant things now ?". You have no duelists on your HC character sheet, but you're talking about duelists' survivability in HC all the time, how is that possible (or maybe it is one of your conveniently "deleted but still have videos proofs" characters) ? You seem to die in HC all the time ("not my fault wtf GGG"), still you're speaking about survivability all the time ?

Unlike you I don't think these DATA concerning you are relevant at all when it comes to the value of your opinions in discussions like this one. If it was the case, people could not say a thing about a bad dish served to them in a dining restaurant even if they are not fine cooks or say that a football player had a "bad game" or things like that even when they can't play football for example. You don't have the prerogative to give entrance tickets to who is supposed to have a relevant opinion here and who is not.

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That's such a lame argument, if it was called on you you would have been full "nice ad hominem no data full subjective attack gg can we go back to relevant things now ?". You have no duelists on your HC character sheet, but you're talking about duelists' survivability in HC all the time, how is that possible (or maybe it is one of your conveniently "deleted but still have videos proofs" characters) ? You seem to die in HC all the time (not my fault wtf GGG), still you're speaking about survivability all the time ?

Unlike you I don't think these DATA concerning you are relevant at all when it comes to the value of your opinions in discussions like this one. If it was the case, people could not say a thing about a bad dish served to them in a dining restaurant even if they are not fine cooks or say that a football player had a "bad game" or things like that even when they can't play football for example. You don't have the prerogative to give entrance tickets to who is supposed to have a relevant opinion here and who is not.

He just is out of ideas when I came up and discussed every one of his points, so he simply tries to change the subject to me rather then duelist or melee.

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Gemdraco a écrit :

And I find it boring to play the quest portion of the game (with its three difficulties) over and over again. Getting a build to level 90 is easy. The game starts at level 90 in my eyes. Different strokes for different folks.

Yeah, different strokes for different folks.
The key thing you are missing is respect for those who don't choose your way.
For me, the game ends at ~90. I've seen and beaten all relevant content (I'm not getting to 90 by killing merci Piety), all that's left is to repeat it over and over again. And I don't want to. Diminishing returns, fuck it.
That doesn't make me a bad player, nor does it make you a good player (because you choose to do it). Your levels mean shit in this regard.

It's just different expectations.
"What do I want from this game?"

I personally love the 3 difficulties. It's very rewarding to level up from 1 to 80, especially when you don't use a cheesy "levelling build", but do what you planned to do asap.
You experience a growth in power on every level up, on every quest reward. I love it.
Later on, basically all stays the same: "Oh, jump from 6158 to 6289 health." Cool story, bro. ;)

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Melee is fine as it is.
Melee characters are fighting the game as intended, every mob and every mob mod has influence on gameplay.

What needs to be looked at, is ranged.
For a ranged dude, with few exceptions, all mobs are the same.
This has to go.

Then it's all fine.

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To HC:
If you're not ready to die, don't play this mod.
Never understood how people insist on staying alive in HC.
Just do your best, and if you're still getting killed, try again... that's the point of it.
If the game had no ways to get you killed, why would you choose HC?

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Melee is fine as it is.
Melee characters are fighting the game as intended, every mob and every mob mod has influence on gameplay.

Great melee is fine, everyone is on the same page.

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What needs to be looked at, is ranged.
For a ranged dude, with few exceptions, all mobs are the same.
This has to go.

So ranged isn't fine but melee is? Perhaps you can see why people think its the other way around and that ranged is fine and melee needs looked at?


Either way it doesn't really matter, I don't want to have to bust out the beating dead horse gif. Very few creative ideas have came from this thread on "fixing" melee.

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Peterlerock a écrit :

Melee is fine as it is.
Melee characters are fighting the game as intended, every mob and every mob mod has influence on gameplay.

Melee is just not fine, at all. At least 2h melee.
Melee was fine, 2 years ago in the last ladders of closed beta, its been shit since open beta release compared to ranged because of no proper damage mitigation, they increased mob damage in OB by a stupid amount so going ranged was your best defense since nothing helped against the high damage mobs, melee gets fucked by everything unless you have really good gear (and even then you do a lot worse than any other type of char with mirrored gear)

Melee needs better damage mitigation, and even better actual damage, especially for 2h melee.

As some suggested, an offhand slot for 2hand weapon users would be a great start, along with nice melee + life/dmg mitigation/rez nodes

melee is an unbalanced mess right now. Play something else if you want to hit stuff in the face. At the moment at least

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Saltygames a écrit :

melee is an unbalanced mess right now. Play something else if you want to hit stuff in the face. At the moment at least

I know plently of people that still play melee because that is what they enjoy playing. Learn to live with the extra damage you have to mitigate or play ranged. No one really cares if 2 handed melee isn't that great right now, it wasn't and won't ever be FoTM.

A lot of people care. Scrub parade doesn't really reflect the severe issues melee, in fact, suffers from.
There must be reworks.

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VictorDoom a écrit :

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Peterlerock a écrit :

Melee is fine as it is.
Melee characters are fighting the game as intended, every mob and every mob mod has influence on gameplay.

Melee is just not fine, at all. At least 2h melee.
Melee was fine, 2 years ago in the last ladders of closed beta, its been shit since open beta release compared to ranged because of no proper damage mitigation, they increased mob damage in OB by a stupid amount so going ranged was your best defense since nothing helped against the high damage mobs, melee gets fucked by everything unless you have really good gear (and even then you do a lot worse than any other type of char with mirrored gear)

Melee needs better damage mitigation, and even better actual damage, especially for 2h melee.

As some suggested, an offhand slot for 2hand weapon users would be a great start, along with nice melee + life/dmg mitigation/rez nodes

2h melee is the worse easy but now, what was once a rare top melee build 'kill first rather than be killed' in flicker strike basically got ripped to shreds and thrown in the trash for most due to melee crit nerfs... if I had more free time id create a lengthy topic for FS meleer who keeps getting fisted over and over.

Obviously the OP may not be the best at getting points across but anyone with half an unbiased brain cell and not a mouthpiece should know melee is complete shit still and arguably is much worse than pre 1.3