Melee is the worst bullshit ever in poe

Answering one last time to this OT nonsense, because you just don't seem to get it.

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Gemdraco a écrit :

You contradicted yourself here. You claim your character(s) is/are capable of doing all end game maps but you also concede that you would have to spend more money (exalted orbs) to get better gear for the process of making it past where you are.

I don't need better gear to progress levelwise.
I would need really expensive gear to have a feeling of item progression.

That's two completly different things. And they don't contradict each other.

I can play 78 maps with such a torso:

But I would rather wear one like this:

...because that's item progression.
Next step would be a 6L LC with perfect stats, and suddenly, I'd have to pay double the price... for such little return?

And once you reached a certain point, stuff gets really, really expensive, for very little actual benefit.
Too expensive for my taste, so I rather stop thinking about item upgrades.
Same as levels take too long for my taste, so I rather stop and start a new char.

It's a pure decision of "how do I want to waste my time?".

Playing with LEGO as a child, I was never interested in playing with it, I was only interested in building.

In PoE (and many other ARPGs), it's the same. I have a build idea, I try it, I fail, I try again, this time it works, I find/buy some stuff, progress, find/buy really cool stuff, it works even better, I test it against the hardest shit I find, fun lasts a couple days, and then, if it stands the test, I feel "I got there". Job done. Next one.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

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deteego a écrit :

Not really, with a bow you get very far with not having optimal defense, particularly in mid level play (like going from 65-85), particularly because you can play around not taking damage.

Thats essentially what I am hearing when a lot of people say ranged are OP, its not that ranged are OP, per say, its that unless you are super wealthy, ranged have a much easier time in mid level play (where gear sensitivity is really high)

You find that true until you go to high maps, where your 5k lifepool as melee gets melted to simple mapmods allready and all you can do is hope that spaming that paniced flasks helps.

that doesnt happen if you play a good build, you should be fine. You are not talking about melee, you are talking about your experience with your melee characters. I play high maps with 5k life melee chars with hard mods and I cant even remember the last time I died on a melee character doing it, it might have happened once this year.

Im sorry, but I cannot gear better then 75% allres. And when sinle Evangelists with "only" one additional damage mod "deal additional XX damage as YYY Elemental damage start hitting 1,5k per hit onto 5k armor base b4 buffs/75 res, then a pack of them, magic with more affixes, who singlehandly TRUCK you for 2k - 3k per hit through your res and IC, then there is no me not playing not optimal.

Because the only thing, bringing RES flask for the added Element, would not help much at all if 5-10 Evangelists start casting their shit onto you 2 - 3 hitting you through all your res/def and HP pool.

This is pure BS, and not even ranged have it better there (although ondars / Acro/phase Acro helps TONS).

Shit like that has to go.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

fair comments man, I agree, you got to respect experience. Theres people who cheese it of course, their only skill is trading and they just buy 78s all day, skip the bosses and grind a single char to extreme levels. Character level isnt everything when it comes to game knowledge but for sure it counts for an awful lot. Esp in this game where it is so easy to go wrong in so many ways and be completely clueless to it.

Ive done it loads, slept on mechanics and items for ages that I totally should have been getting in on right away until someone set me straight. Sometimes it goes the other way too tho, Ive learnt a fair bit watching streamers who in fairness dont have half the endgame experience I have. Hasn't stop them educating me on a great many things over time, I wouldnt want to take anything away from players like that, a lot of them know the game.

Yeah, I understand there are some streamers or some other players who haven't gotten to 95+ and yet they know what they are doing and what they are talking about, but more often I run into guys who stopped leveling because they started dying and said: "This is too much like work... fuck this shit, I'm done leveling." I'm just saying that this kind of player doesn't have my attention concerning anything (whether it's about melee or anything else).

P.S. - It's not easy to "cheese it" to level 100 either.

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Gemdraco a écrit :

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

fair comments man, I agree, you got to respect experience. Theres people who cheese it of course, their only skill is trading and they just buy 78s all day, skip the bosses and grind a single char to extreme levels. Character level isnt everything when it comes to game knowledge but for sure it counts for an awful lot. Esp in this game where it is so easy to go wrong in so many ways and be completely clueless to it.

Ive done it loads, slept on mechanics and items for ages that I totally should have been getting in on right away until someone set me straight. Sometimes it goes the other way too tho, Ive learnt a fair bit watching streamers who in fairness dont have half the endgame experience I have. Hasn't stop them educating me on a great many things over time, I wouldnt want to take anything away from players like that, a lot of them know the game.

Yeah, I understand there are some streamers or some other players who haven't gotten to 95+ and yet they know what they are doing and what they are talking about, but more often I run into guys who stopped leveling because they started dying and said: "This is too much like work... fuck this shit, I'm done leveling." I'm just saying that this kind of player doesn't have my attention concerning anything (whether it's about melee or anything else).

P.S. - It's not easy to "cheese it" to level 100 either.

I think Etup said smth about the avarege maps needed fro 90 to 100. And that was being 750~ 78s Maps run without dying. GL with that.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Experience

You need as many XP from 90 to 100 as you need from 0 to 90. AND THEN SOME for the diminishing returns every level.

Im at the same "get to 85 -90" boat, then perfect gear as far as it is fun, then go for another build.

I would never do the boring ass grind-the-same-2-maps over and over again for weeks. Not worth it for me.

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Snorkle_uk a écrit :

fair comments man, I agree, you got to respect experience. Theres people who cheese it of course, their only skill is trading and they just buy 78s all day, skip the bosses and grind a single char to extreme levels. Character level isnt everything when it comes to game knowledge but for sure it counts for an awful lot. Esp in this game where it is so easy to go wrong in so many ways and be completely clueless to it.

Ive done it loads, slept on mechanics and items for ages that I totally should have been getting in on right away until someone set me straight. Sometimes it goes the other way too tho, Ive learnt a fair bit watching streamers who in fairness dont have half the endgame experience I have. Hasn't stop them educating me on a great many things over time, I wouldnt want to take anything away from players like that, a lot of them know the game.

Yeah, I understand there are some streamers or some other players who haven't gotten to 95+ and yet they know what they are doing and what they are talking about, but more often I run into guys who stopped leveling because they started dying and said: "This is too much like work... fuck this shit, I'm done leveling." I'm just saying that this kind of player doesn't have my attention concerning anything (whether it's about melee or anything else).

P.S. - It's not easy to "cheese it" to level 100 either.

I think Etup said smth about the avarege maps needed fro 90 to 100. And that was being 750~ 78s Maps run without dying. GL with that.

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Experience

You need as many XP from 90 to 100 as you need from 0 to 90. AND THEN SOME for the diminishing returns every level.

Im at the same "get to 85 -90" boat, then perfect gear as far as it is fun, then go for another build.

I would never do the boring ass grind-the-same-2-maps over and over again for weeks. Not worth it for me.

And I find it boring to play the quest portion of the game (with its three difficulties) over and over again. Getting a build to level 90 is easy. The game starts at level 90 in my eyes. Different strokes for different folks.

P.S. - I don't like having to continually start from scratch over and over again. I have done it enough times already with every class. I am done with that. The marauder is my favorite class and I found a build that I enjoy playing. I have had to adjust it every time a new patch of nerfs came out and it's getting to the point where melee is becoming so shitty to play that I want to uninstall now. However, I won't do that until I feel I have conquered this game. However, even after I hit 100, I will probably still stay for the little guild I promised I would be there for.

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I have already stated in a past post what has been nerfed over time in melee (in the name of "balance").

How exactly, the life and block changes i'll address below.

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As they continue to nerf life (and now block) more and more, melee continues to lose its effectiveness to a point where it's not much fun to play anymore.

Unless you were using a koams heart before then life is pretty much in the same spot in terms of getting the same amount out of the tree. Hell it makes uniques like belly actually good.

In regards to block, block is simply overpowered. They tried to adjust the skill tree to make some block nodes cater more for those 1 hander + shield combos, but leaving so many nodes on the tree (like 1.2) was a huge mistake. Block is the best form of damage mitigation (aside from offscreening, which one can argue might be better, but i'd disagree as reflect can kill you offscreen and you can't always offscreen everything)

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However, as I have stated before, I love being the tank in the group so I will continue to choose it in spite of whatever nerfs they throw my way or whatever parts of my previous builds get dumpstered. I can't say my pleasure of playing melee outweighs my persistence at this point.

Fantastic, I love hearing that people will continue to play their "nerfed" or "useless" builds afterwards, it means they are persistent.

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goetzjam a écrit :

that is why I don't play in a HC league.

Highlighted the portion illustrating why your opinion is not at all relevant in discussions involving character survivability (IE, all melee discussions).

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iamstryker a écrit :

Melee isn't broken, it's just inferior to ranged and always has been.

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Legatus1982 a écrit :

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goetzjam a écrit :

that is why I don't play in a HC league.

Highlighted the portion illustrating why your opinion is not at all relevant in discussions involving character survivability (IE, all melee discussions).

Don't play in HC can't have an opinion of the game. LOL

Lets just make it if you don't spend over $500 on the game you aren't allowed to have an opinion.

Its not like dying in SC leagues really affect players or anything.

as for @iamstryker

Technically melee hasn't always been inferior or not looked that way at least. In closed beta they didn't have perm allocation, which meant being in melee gave you a better chance to get your items. BoR was better, which made having a build that used a 6 link for cheap good. Quite a few changes like new skill gems (spec throw, flameblast, arc, ect) have all been added\buffed to make melee skills less desirable.

Still haven't heard a single way to fix melee just random ideas that work in other ARPG's that won't work in PoE.